Any news on the former River's Edge?

[sgrizzle]

This help?

[Conan71]

But I still miss the River's Edge.

Aah, but that will be re-utilized by late fall according to the last story I read.

[custosnox]

I'm not a fan of the extended parking lot, however, at least where they extended it to wasn't a high use area.  I think the most I ever saw going on up in that area was people walking through.  However, it looks like the bathrooms will be going away.  Not that they were in great shape to begin with, but I don't think BR will like all the walkers/joggers/bikers going in and out to use the bathroom. 

I really hope that the re-utilization of the old cafe has a lot of the same feel as it did before.

[godboko71]

I'm not a fan of the extended parking lot, however, at least where they extended it to wasn't a high use area.  I think the most I ever saw going on up in that area was people walking through.  However, it looks like the bathrooms will be going away.  Not that they were in great shape to begin with, but I don't think BR will like all the walkers/joggers/bikers going in and out to use the bathroom. 

I really hope that the re-utilization of the old cafe has a lot of the same feel as it did before.

Seemed to be a high use area on the weekends, lots of couples, families, and there dogs seemed to picnic there and to the west of River's Edge. 

That said I don't understand the need for the extra parking, there is an underutilized parking lot about a block tot he west.

Over all besides the what seems to be pointless extra parking I am happy to see this development move forward.

[custosnox]

Most of the people picnicing and just hanging out that I saw was mostly to the west of that area.  I won't say that it wasn't used, just one of the lesser used area's around the cafe. 

And the simple answer to why the extra parking when there is an underused lot a block away?  Come on, it's a block away.  You can't expect the majority of people in Tulsa to walk that far to get to their destination, can you?

[cannon_fodder]

Thanks Griz.  WIth that overlay I'd have to agree that the parking lot isn't in a high use area.  If they screen it somehow it would be even better.  But all things considered, the lot isn't as bad as I feared.

[Conan71]

Seemed to be a high use area on the weekends, lots of couples, families, and there dogs seemed to picnic there and to the west of River's Edge. 

That said I don't understand the need for the extra parking, there is an underutilized parking lot about a block tot he west.

Over all besides the what seems to be pointless extra parking I am happy to see this development move forward.

About a block to the west?  That would be one wet parking lot.  Do you mean the one to the south?

I think many of you are underestimating the kind of destination Blue Rose will create, assuming a lot of Tom's old customers become regulars again.  Saturday and Sunday afternoons could get very competitive for parking spots.

[TURobY]

About a block to the west?  That would be one wet parking lot.

Not if it were a dockable pier.

[PepePeru]

About a block to the west?  That would be one wet parking lot.  Do you mean the one to the south?

I think many of you are underestimating the kind of destination Blue Rose will create, assuming a lot of Tom's old customers become regulars again.  Saturday and Sunday afternoons could get very competitive for parking spots.

I think he's referring to the short walk across the 21st st bridge to the parking lot by the skate park.

a little more than a block, but not by much.

[Conan71]

I think he's referring to the short walk across the 21st st bridge to the parking lot by the skate park.

a little more than a block, but not by much.

It's about 1/3 of a mile, actually maybe slightly more.  A block is approximately 1/10 of a mile.  Not to get technical or anything. 

[carltonplace]

I'm not a fan of the extended parking lot, however, at least where they extended it to wasn't a high use area.  I think the most I ever saw going on up in that area was people walking through.  However, it looks like the bathrooms will be going away.  Not that they were in great shape to begin with, but I don't think BR will like all the walkers/joggers/bikers going in and out to use the bathroom. 

I really hope that the re-utilization of the old cafe has a lot of the same feel as it did before.

Lots of people use the asphalt trail by the River's Edge to cross Riverside on foot (or bike or with dogs/kids) to get to 19th St Eastbound and into the neighborhood which is a mix of single and multi family residential (Lincoln Park Apartments, University Club Towers). The only other safe place to cross is at 21st, or to walk over the bridge and then cross traffic at 21st and Boulder. Crossing at Denver is hopeless and confusing and you can't see the northbound traffic where Riverside connects at the bend to Denver.

In this design, people crossing at 19th will walk through the parking lot to get to the street.

I'm not saying this is a terrible solution, or that it's Tom's job to fix an existing problem. But there certainly needs to be a better way to access the park from the east side of Riverside for those that don't drive there. In fact this is a problem all along Riverside, there are few pedestrian crossings.

[Conan71]

Carlton, whatever happened to earning money for, aquiring, and drinking beer being your only concerns in life?

[TheTed]

Lots of people use the asphalt trail by the River's Edge to cross Riverside on foot (or bike or with dogs/kids) to get to 19th St Eastbound and into the neighborhood which is a mix of single and multi family residential (Lincoln Park Apartments, University Club Towers). The only other safe place to cross is at 21st, or to walk over the bridge and then cross traffic at 21st and Boulder. Crossing at Denver is hopeless and confusing and you can't see the northbound traffic where Riverside connects at the bend to Denver.

In this design, people crossing at 19th will walk through the parking lot to get to the street.

I'm not saying this is a terrible solution, or that it's Tom's job to fix an existing problem. But there certainly needs to be a better way to access the park from the east side of Riverside for those that don't drive there. In fact this is a problem all along Riverside, there are few pedestrian crossings.

Also, Tulsa drivers don't comprehend that right on red means you have to stop first, not barrel through the crosswalk at full speed, as happens probably 50% of the time I try and cross Riverside at Denver. And Tulsa cops don't seem to care to enforce that. They could send somebody out to that crosswalk and write big tickets for people nearly nailing pedestrians all day.

I cannot comprehend how we don't have any type of connection between the river trails and the bike route leading into Brookside (at 33rd, 34th, somewhere in there). That's a perfect way to get from downtown to Brookside on bike. But there's no path from the trail to the bike route and more importantly, no signal to help pedestrians and cyclists cross riverside there. It's a frightening experience, trying to dodge four lanes of 45 mph traffic to cross the street.

[Conan71]

Also, Tulsa drivers don't comprehend that right on red means you have to stop first, not barrel through the crosswalk at full speed, as happens probably 50% of the time I try and cross Riverside at Denver. And Tulsa cops don't seem to care to enforce that. They could send somebody out to that crosswalk and write big tickets for people nearly nailing pedestrians all day.

I cannot comprehend how we don't have any type of connection between the river trails and the bike route leading into Brookside (at 33rd, 34th, somewhere in there). That's a perfect way to get from downtown to Brookside on bike. But there's no path from the trail to the bike route and more importantly, no signal to help pedestrians and cyclists cross riverside there. It's a frightening experience, trying to dodge four lanes of 45 mph traffic to cross the street.

I think the ped bridge, 21st St. and 11th St. are considered our connectors.  I'd love to see a ped flyover at 36th, but I don't think that's ever going to happen.  It's too close to the existing ped bridge and the light at 41st.  It would be deemed as "un-needed"

It's out of the way, but the way I go is take the old RR bed from the ped bridge at 31st back around to where 26th(ish) crosses the trail in Maple Ridge, get off there and go down Cincinnatti and take the bike route marked streets back to Brookside.  It's out of the way, but I'll ride an extra mile or two rather than risk being mowed down crossing a busy street w/o a light or stop sign. 

[godboko71]

No I guess I meant north west, about a block and a half away from rivers edge, right across from the nursing home and apartments.