Nuclear Power Plants

[RecycleMichael]

As long as the exploitation of any energy source is tied to profit, it will not be looked upon favorably by liberals.

That is pure idiotic. There are many powerful liberals in this town and this state who have made their living in the energy field.


Why do you feel compelled to continually define others? Why must every thread turn into you making stupid statements about liberals?

Don't become Glenn Beck.

[Hoss]

Don't become Glenn Beck.

I think it's too late for that...

[Gaspar]

That is pure idiotic. There are many powerful liberals in this town and this state who have made their living in the energy field.


Why do you feel compelled to continually define others? Why must every thread turn into you making stupid statements about liberals?

Don't become Glenn Beck.

Do you perceive any problems with increased natural gas production, exploration or useage in Oklahoma?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Only from a complete destruction of the water aquifer system, but other than that, no problem at all.  (Anyone who has not heard of shale extraction problems has been actively avoiding knowing - head in the sand approach.)

Leaving any kind of environmental consideration OUT of it, you gotta ask yourself WHY isn't there more drilling and production already??  They have the leases.  They have the permits.  They have the proven reserves.  Why is only 25% of the available, accessible resource being produced already?

You keep talking to the wrong points.  The point IS there is nothing stopping them now.  So why hasn't it happened??  Why isn't the effort being made to increase production so prices at the pump can come down??  It is a simple question - why is it there is never an answer??  But then I just answered it didn't I, with that one tiny little phrase - "so prices at the pump can come down".  Have been on the inside and seen it in action.

[Hoss]

Only from a complete destruction of the water aquifer system, but other than that, no problem at all.

Leaving any kind of environmental consideration OUT of it, you gotta ask yourself WHY isn't there more drilling and production already??  They have the leases.  They have the permits.  They have the proven reserves.  Why is only 25% of the available, accessible resource being produced already?

You keep talking to the wrong points.  The point IS there is nothing stopping them now.  So why hasn't it happened??  It is a simple question - why is it there is never an answer??

Because they'd rather make it a talking point than a solution?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Pretty much.  But sit back and watch...no one will actually answer, but the is a high likelihood of diatribe going off on another direction, tying Obama (or whichever target du'jour) to the collapse of the oil industry in the United States.

To the generic "You" of the cosmos;
Are you kidding me??  Are you so seriously deranged to believe that the people who run the show are gonna do anything to consciously hurt their own self interest??  They are NOT voters - they buy the lawmakers - so they won't ever vote against themselves.  Like so many of us do.

[RecycleMichael]

Do you perceive any problems with increased natural gas production, exploration or useage in Oklahoma?

It depends how it is done. They have made real progress in low impact drilling which I believe makes a big difference.

Do you have a problem with reasonable measures to protect the environment?

[Red Arrow]

Do you have a problem with reasonable measures to protect the environment?

The problem is with defining "reasonable measures".  I don't know of anyone who wants to intentionally trash the environment. 

[Conan71]

The problem is with defining "reasonable measures".  I don't know of anyone who wants to intentionally trash the environment. 

No, but there's mounting evidence that some drilling companies and producers consider protecting the environment a nuisance and paying fines just a cost of doing business.

[Red Arrow]

That is pure idiotic. There are many powerful liberals in this town and this state who have made their living in the energy field.

Many of the liberals in this town and state would have been considered Republicans/conservatives in many states in the 50s, 60s, and early 70s.  Now they'd sooner die than wear that label.  It used to be if you wanted any say in local or state politics in Oklahoma, you had to be a registered Democrat.  Kind of the opposite of now.

[Red Arrow]

No, but there's mounting evidence that some drilling companies and producers consider protecting the environment a nuisance and paying fines just a cost of doing business.

Not on the same level of course but we all do the same.  We drive our automobiles which have been proven to harm the environment.  We continue to use electricity which cannot be generated without disturbing the environment to some degree.  The price of energy is just the cost of convenience. 

[carltonplace]

Maple Syrup Reactors Safe, Canadian Prime Minister Reassures

OTTAWA—Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper addressed growing public concerns about the safety of his country's maple syrup reactors Thursday, reassuring citizens that the sucrose fission facilities posed little risk of failure and there was absolutely no reason to be concerned.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/maple-syrup-reactors-safe-canadian-prime-minister,20511/?utm_source=recentnews

[Gaspar]

It depends how it is done. They have made real progress in low impact drilling which I believe makes a big difference.

Do you have a problem with reasonable measures to protect the environment?

Nope!  I have interests in a natural gas operation in Texas.  It's on the only family farm.  You wouldn't know it was there unless you tripped over it.

What would be the measures you find reasonable?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Requiring a liner down to the protection zone so that gas and salt water cannot work their way up to the fresh water zone.  This is an industry getting Lexus prices for a product with a soap box derby investment.  Yeah, we are talking billions in investment.  And hundreds of billions in profits.  Would that be an unwarranted government intrusion?

Or for the pipeline side - requiring mandatory inspection of all plastic natural gas pipe welds before they are buried in the ground.  These are welds on plastic pipe where the ends of the two pipes are melted and then smushed together.  Vast majority are good - at a rate approaching 100%.  But it only takes one for the conflagration.  And if there is a little gust of wind to blow up some sand/dirt, or the heat isn't "just right", voids and inclusions and through holes are not just possible, but inevitable.  And when the pipe is then buried, there is a leak, gas builds up, and boom!  Big hole in the ground.  Cutting out a weld to redo takes a couple of minutes.  Literally.  To save an explosion.  Another unwarranted government intrusion??

Steel pipelines?  Require mandatory inline inspections for corrosion in all pipelines - twice a year.  The big whine here is that so many pipelines were built that cannot be pigged.  BS!  Pipelines have been specifically designed to be piggable for decades.  So any that are not piggable ARE so old that they should be replaced anyway.  They are the ones you hear about blowing up from time to time.

Just a couple of suggestions...

[Teatownclown]

Fukushima's No. 5 Nuclear Reactor Cooling Facility Stops
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-no-5-nuclear-reactor-cooling-facility_n_868528.html

New Alert For Fukushima in Japan Due to Typhoon Songda
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1105/S00718/new-alert-for-fukushima-in-japan-due-to-typhoon-songda.htm

the messy part of human evolution....