Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road?

[Mike 01Hawk]

Was that ever talked about when it was being designed?

[Ibanez]

Survey says......

no

[dbacks fan]

Once a toll road, always a toll road. Turner, Will Rogers and H.E. Bailey, 50 plus years as money makers for the OTA. At least the monet they make is suppposed to go back into the roads.

[rwarn17588]

To make the toll roads free, you'd have to have an increase in fuel taxes to compensate. I don't see it happening.

[Townsend]

Imagine the Turnpike Authority reaction.

Never happen.

[sauerkraut]

Dream on~ Once a toll road always a toll road. The state  Oklahoma always talked about getting rid of  the tolls one day, but that day never comes. In Ohio they were to get rid of the toll on the Ohio Turnpike once the road was paid off, but when the time came and the road was paid off, they decided to keep the toll for road up-keep & road repair. The only toll road I know of that gone away was the Dallas-Fort Worth I-30 TurnPike, it got paid off in 1978 and they made the road free. There could be other turnpikes that went away but I don't know of any.[xx(] [B)]

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

To make the toll roads free, you'd have to have an increase in fuel taxes to compensate. I don't see it happening.

Other states have free roads, Michigan has no toll roads. If they can do it why not Oklahoma? Just fund the roads the same way the other states do. Missouri has low fuel taxes and I-44 thru Missouri is free, at the Oklahoma state line it's a toll road. IMO I think the TurnPike Authority gets too big and powerful and many high paying jobs are on the line, so they keep the toll roads. The TurnPike Authority can get very powerful.[xx(] [B)]

[EricP]

I'd rather pay the toll than deal with massive potholes, damaged guard rails gone unfixed, sudden decreasing radius turns with off-camber angles.... the only really bad part about the creek is the lack of center median which means the cops love to camp it.

[cannon_fodder]

Michigan has no toll roads because Michigan more than anywhere else benefits from our addiction to cars.  The more roads and the less transportation alternatives, the happier Michigan is.

Frankly, I don't mind well managed toll roads.  Make the toll primarily pay for THAT road, a real use tax.  I understand there will be an operating skim.  I also understand that when the road is paid off there will be a skim to subsidize new projects.  But PRIMARILY, they should self fund.

Use taxes are the most fair taxes available.  You use it, you pay for it.

I think Tulsa is better off with the Creek turnpike as a toll road than simply not having it.  Likewise, the roads primary purpose is to make living outside of Tulsa more convenient.  As a Tulsan it doesn't help me in any way to pay for people to commute more quickly from Broken Arrow, etc.   That road isn't helping our regional trade or manufacturing, it's a commuter road.  I paid for a residents near where I work, so in my selfishness I don't want to subsidize someone else's commuter habits.

[Gaspar]

Is the Turnpike Authority a private corporation?

If so, then no.

[tulsascoot]

Since I never need to drive on that road, I say leave it alone. Those who use it are the only ones who have to pay for it.

[naenae42day]

quote:Originally posted by EricP

I'd rather pay the toll than deal with massive potholes, damaged guard rails gone unfixed, sudden decreasing radius turns with off-camber angles.... the only really bad part about the creek is the lack of center median which means the cops love to camp it.

I don't think the toll roads will ever go away, but I am curious about states that have managed to have good roads...and no tolls.  What do they know that OK doesn't?

[Markk]

quote:Originally posted by naenae42day

quote:Originally posted by EricP

I'd rather pay the toll than deal with massive potholes, damaged guard rails gone unfixed, sudden decreasing radius turns with off-camber angles.... the only really bad part about the creek is the lack of center median which means the cops love to camp it.

I don't think the toll roads will ever go away, but I am curious about states that have managed to have good roads...and no tolls.  What do they know that OK doesn't?

How to prioritize?

[YoungTulsan]

LOL

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by naenae42day

quote:Originally posted by EricP

I'd rather pay the toll than deal with massive potholes, damaged guard rails gone unfixed, sudden decreasing radius turns with off-camber angles.... the only really bad part about the creek is the lack of center median which means the cops love to camp it.

I don't think the toll roads will ever go away, but I am curious about states that have managed to have good roads...and no tolls.  What do they know that OK doesn't?

Higher state gas taxes.