Sen Al Franken Wins Again!

[Gaspar]

Ok, you're right.  I don't get it.  Explain it to me.

From what I understand, EVEN IF the Court had not stepped in Gore still would have lost.

From what I understand, the Court's ruling was on sound logic.  If you think this is an example of judicial flaws in logic you clearly haven't read the amount of case law I assumed you had.  Operate under the rules at the start of the game was the essential merits of the ruling.  How shocking.

So other than the fact that there ruling was legally correct and that your perspective still would have lost even if they had not intervened, you're dead right.  Which is to say, you are not.

I get it, you're pissed that a Democrat lost 9 years ago and have to find someone to blame.  You know what?  Screw it.  You're absoultely right.   The Supreme Court hates Al Gore and Florida and the 4 years worth of Bush Sr. Appointments muscled over the 8 years of Clinton supporters and then rigged election polls in 2004 to reelected Bush because the Supreme Court can't already just do whatever the hell it wants and needed a politician on their side.  In fact, it was probably done so that they could have GW blow up the WTC.  That's it!

The Supreme Court rigged the 2000 Florida election in order to blow up the World Trade Center so they could profit.

Makes sense to me. 

Someone in a black suit should be knocking on your door shortly.

[FOTD]

Harry Reid needs to seat Senator Franken now.

The people of Minnesota should be very proud that a careful, fair and transparent voting process has worked to produce a winner. This is exactly the opposite of what happened in 2000 where the Supreme Court suddenly stepped in to stop a recount because it might go against the man that five of the nine Supreme Court justices wanted to win the election. That was probably the most outrageous action since the Dred Scott decision in 1857 when the Supreme Court declared that blacks in America had no legal rights.

[Conan71]

Harry Reid needs to seat Senator Franken now.

The people of Minnesota should be very proud that a careful, fair and transparent voting process has worked to produce a winner. This is exactly the opposite of what happened in 2000 where the Supreme Court suddenly stepped in to stop a recount because it might go against the man that five of the nine Supreme Court justices wanted to win the election. That was probably the most outrageous action since the Dred Scott decision in 1857 when the Supreme Court declared that blacks in America had no legal rights.

Give it up already!  You sound like a sore snivelling little b!tch....

[Gaspar]

Harry Reid needs to seat Senator Franken now.

The people of Minnesota should be very proud that a careful, fair and transparent voting process has worked to produce a winner. This is exactly the opposite of what happened in 2000 where the Supreme Court suddenly stepped in to stop a recount because it might go against the man that five of the nine Supreme Court justices wanted to win the election. That was probably the most outrageous action since the Dred Scott decision in 1857 when the Supreme Court declared that blacks in America had no legal rights.

  I hope so.  I can't wait for this show to start.

[cannon_fodder]

You've made it clear why engaging you in discussion is pointless.

I asked very direct and honest questions requiring minimal effort on your part (the effort required was to know what it is you are talking about).  You responded by posting to some skit and then cutting and pasting something or other (I don't ever read your cut and pastes as a matter of habit).   I then repeated my two primary points and mocked your lack of effort in explaining your posting.

Thus, I am the one that refuses to constructively engage.

But in an effort to engage you one more time I will ask:

1) Please find me a reputable source that says Gore would have won the recount using the methods requested in the suit.  There are recount methods under which Gore would have barely won (as Bush barely won), but they were not requested by Gore and thus would not have been granted.  The point is moot.

2) Please read the Bush v. Gore 2000 case and come back with an argument attacking the logic of the court.
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Without this underlying discussion, your theory is just idiotic banter.  Or in AOX speak, the status quo.

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Give it up already!  You sound like a sore snivelling little b!tch....

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What is the hold up? Let me guess.....unethical and hypocritical Gangs Of Pirates?

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It's U.S. Senator Franken, according to Minnesota Supreme Court Decision. The Ruling was 5 to Zip in favor of Al. Get Out of the Way Loserman Coleman. It's over. Democracy and the Rule of Law Prevail.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/court-rules-franken-has-won-senate-seat/

June 30, 2009, 2:27 PM
Court Rules Franken Has Won Senate Seat
By KATE PHILLIPS
The Minnesota Supreme Court has just issued its long-awaited judgment in the Senate race, declaring that Democrat Al Franken is the winner.

The 32-page unanimous decision by the state's highest court was released after a seven-months long battle over the seat formerly held by Norm Coleman. On every ground, the judicial panel rejected Mr. Coleman's claims of trial errors or constitutional violations, and decided that Mr. Franken's election should be certified by the state as valid.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty had indicated as late as Monday that he was willing to certify Mr. Franken as the winner once the state's highest court decided the recount and Mr. Coleman's battle. On CNN on Sunday, Mr. Pawlenty said: "I'm prepared to sign it as soon as they give the green light."

Asked what he would do if Mr. Coleman decided to appeal to the federal courts, as had been mentioned before this ruling, Mr. Pawlenty added: "A federal court could stay or put a limit on or stop the effect of the state court ruling. If they chose, if they do that, I would certainly follow their direction. But if that doesn't happen promptly or drags out for any period of time, then we need to move ahead with signing this, particularly if I'm ordered to do that by the state court."

Some legal experts already are pointing out that the Minnesota Supreme Court did not issue a specific directive ordering Governor Pawlenty to sign the certificate. And there is, according to legal experts, a rehearing period of 10 days, under the Minnesota judges' ruling.

Mark Ritchie, Minnesota's secretary of state, issued a statement saying: "This unanimous opinion of the court affirms the accuracy and fairness of Minnesota's election laws and recount procedures. As required by Minnesota law, I will co-sign the election certificate as soon as it is issued by Governor Tim Pawlenty."

If Mr. Coleman concedes, Mr. Franken will become the Democrats' much coveted 60th vote. That is the number required to avert filibusters, and with both Senators Edward M. Kennedy and Robert C. Byrd absent due to illness, the Democrats have sometimes scrambled to make sure they had lined up enough votes.

Spokesmen for both Mr. Coleman and Mr. Franken issued statements announcing news conferences later this afternoon. And the governor's office was also expected to weigh in later this afternoon.

In its decision, the Minnesota Supreme Court upheld the rulings of the trial court, which had concluded that Mr. Franken won the election by about 312 votes. Throughout this battle, Mr. Coleman and his lawyers have cited discarded or wrongly discredited absentee ballots as well as other miscounted votes as part of the evidence of problems with the state's count in this race.

But at oral arguments on June 1, the Supreme Court judges were highly skeptical of Mr. Coleman's claims, on the counting grounds or constitutional grounds. John Schwartz, our national legal affairs correspondent, attended the arguments and indicated the judges' questions made it fairly clear that the panel was not persuaded it should overturn the findings of the trial court, or the State Canvassing Board before that.

That was borne out in the panel's ruling today.

In reaction to the decision, Senator Bob Menendez, the chairman of the National Democratic Senatorial Committee, said this in his statement:

"As we've seen over the past 238 days, no matter how many times Norm Coleman goes to court, the result of the election never changes: Al Franken earned more votes than Norm Coleman. Al Franken was elected to the Senate and he ought to be able to get to work for the people of Minnesota. We've always said that Norm Coleman deserved his day in court, and he got eight months. Now we expect Governor Pawlenty to do the right thing, follow the law, and sign the election certificate. From health care to the Supreme Court to getting our economy moving again, the challenges facing us are complex and we need Al Franken in the Senate. In this historic and urgent moment in our history, Minnesotans have gone long enough without full representation. Al Franken will be an critical voice on the issues before us and it's time to let him get to work."
Just this morning, MSNBC's First Read listed several factoids that have accumulated during this fight:

$51.1 million has been raised between Coleman and Franken for the entire campaign
– $50.3 million has been spent between the two candidates
– $11 million (at least) has been spent on the recount
– 2,424,946 votes were cast
– 312 votes separate the candidates (Franken leads)
– 239 days since Election Day 2008
– 34 weeks since Election Day 2008
– 7 months, 27 days since Election Day 2008
– 4 seasons seen since Election Day 2008 election.

[Conan71]

I just threw up in my mouth a little.  Franken as a Senator makes as much sense as Senator Hannity or Senator Limbaugh.



Of course this is that state's idea of a governor (Jesse wasn't that bad a gov, I just like the wrasslin' photos of him) Nice skullett

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O'Reily's Head just exploded...

Wash your mouth out, Conan.

http://baldwinparkdemocrat.blogspot.com/2009/06/minnesota-upreme-court-decision-on.html

[Conan71]

O'Reily's Head just exploded...

Wash your mouth out, Conan.

Wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't had five Long Island Teas for lunch.  Man that burns on the way up.

[guido911]

Senator Franken:

[Conan71]

You are an insensitive angry white man, Guido.  TG, I had the trash can next to my desk.

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