What is going on east of Dilly Deli?

[PonderInc]

Slightly off topic:

A while back, Elliott Nelson mentioned that he was thinking about putting in an 8-lane bowling alley to the SOUTH of the Dilly Deli. 

Can I just say how much I love this idea!  Just big enough to be busy all the time.  League bowling on "slow" nights.  Open play on weekends and busy nights...  Beer all the nights.

Haven't heard when/if it will become a reality, but it's an awesome idea.  Perfect for downtown Tulsa.

If they build it, I will bowl.

[TURobY]

Slightly off topic:

A while back, Elliott Nelson mentioned that he was thinking about putting in an 8-lane bowling alley to the SOUTH of the Dilly Deli. 

Can I just say how much I love this idea!  Just big enough to be busy all the time.  League bowling on "slow" nights.  Open play on weekends and busy nights...  Beer all the nights.

Haven't heard when/if it will become a reality, but it's an awesome idea.  Perfect for downtown Tulsa.

If they build it, I will bowl.

You are freakin' kidding me! I was actually looking into the exact same thing in that location. Unfortunately, the market tanked and lending became a lot more difficult, so I abandoned the idea. I'm sure I still have my research materials somewhere on my computer. I'll see if I can find them and I'll forward them to Elliott.

[FOTD]

Rockin' Bowl would be a great addition downtown....they are very expensive finish out. But downtown could use this type of venue!

[cannon_fodder]

That would be a hellofalot of fun.  I enjoy bowling on a recreational level.  Downtown could escape the cliche bowling alley atmosphere, which would enhance it for most in my generation (IMHO).

I'd take out of town friends there to bowl a few games and have a few for sure, in addition to my own entertainment from time to time.

[pfox]

That parking lot is not owned by the TDA.  It is managed by American Parking for a private owner.

[RecycleMichael]

I thought it was owned by the PAC

[SXSW]

That would be a hellofalot of fun.  I enjoy bowling on a recreational level.  Downtown could escape the cliche bowling alley atmosphere, which would enhance it for most in my generation (IMHO).

I'd take out of town friends there to bowl a few games and have a few for sure, in addition to my own entertainment from time to time.

Something like Red Pin in Bricktown would be very cool.  More of a contemporary restaurant/lounge with bowling.  Get something like that built at 3rd & Elgin and an Alamo Drafthouse-like movie theatre at 2nd & Elgin and that's 2 significant gaps filled on what is becoming the main street through Blue Dome, and downtown in general.  I see that being reinforced once the ballpark opens and surrounding lots get developed, and as OSU-Tulsa grows.

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

I love the bowling alley idea and I would go bowl at lunch or eat and watch people bowl.  They need to have more infill between Blue Dome and the ballpark.  I walked over to the ballpark the other day and it was not very inviting after I got past 1st Street.

[TheTed]

A bowling alley downtown would be great. I imagine it could be busy even on weeknights, what with downtown workers playing in leagues.

Lucky Strike Lanes seems to be opening up in downtowns everywhere. There's one in KC, a new one opening in Houston, Denver, etc.

Elliott Nelson is a great, great man. I love how he takes great ideas from other cities/countries and brings them here. So many of our leaders could learn a few things from him by studying what cities much better than us are doing right.

[SXSW]

I love the bowling alley idea and I would go bowl at lunch or eat and watch people bowl.  They need to have more infill between Blue Dome and the ballpark.  I walked over to the ballpark the other day and it was not very inviting after I got past 1st Street.

I agree, hopefully they will do some kind of streetscape along Elgin between 1st and Brady and north to OSU.  Basically an extension of the streetscape already in place south of 1st.

[DowntownNow]

The buildings to the East of Temple are owned by Steve Kitchell and he is in the process of finishing the front and roofs after pressure from the City.  He currently has them listed for sale with NAI Commercial...last I had heard they were asking $650,000 but that was before the construction.

The asphalt lot across the street is majority owned by a private owner, Tom Williams I think.  Last time I heard an asking price for this was around $3 million+...Elliot Nelson had looked at creating something called Franklin Square with it but opted out.  The land at the East end of that section (about a 1/2 block) is owned by TDA and is part of the Jones Lang LaSalle packages being offered I think.

[Red Arrow]

OK legal eagles,  why can't the city raise the taxes on parking lots enough to make them unattractive to investors?

[TheArtist]

OK legal eagles,  why can't the city raise the taxes on parking lots enough to make them unattractive to investors?

Or at least figure out some equitable balance,,, lower taxes on some set of buildings ( perhaps those 50 years plus, ones with housing, just throwing out random ideas) , raise them on parking lots and empty lots, and lower them on parking garages. The more floors of parking and affordable housing you add, the lower the percentage of taxes per sq ft.  Some set of tools (not just taxes alone) to encourage increased density and the type of development we want, while preserving older buildings. I hate silly, messy tax codes and such, but in this instance if there is a way to shift things within the IDL it might be worth it.

However, I must say, I do think that downtown has truly turned the corner. It now has enough momentum, current and future projects in the pipeline, to start trucking along at a steady, though slow, pace. If we could compare the downtown of 2005 with 2015,,, over all, we would see an amazingly positive transformation had happened within those 10 years. 

[carltonplace]

Why can't we just put language in the zoning codes that makes surface parking lots inside the IDL illegal without an approved variance?

[SXSW]

TW article on Nelson's bowling alley just south of Dilly Deli on Elgin:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=46&articleid=20091213_46_E1_JEllio559136