What is going on east of Dilly Deli?

[Hoss]

Quote from: Townsend on December 17, 2009, 05:11:24 pm
Cherry Street Brewery was one.  Where Snail is now.

The other was on Memorial.  Can't think of the name.





When it originally opened in 1983 or 1984 it was Flakey Jake's, very similar to Fuddrucker's which also opened in the same time frame on 31st east of 169. I seem to remember hearing, and I could bbe wrong, but Fuddrucker's closed after a person who was under 18 was injured in an accident in the kitchen using a meat slicer. Personaly I think at the time it was the fact they were over priced for the economy of Tulsa in the early 80's.

Wasn't the Fuddruckers where the Mazzios is now?  I seem to remember it that way...just west of the Wal-Mart Neighborhood market.

[Townsend]

I think you'll all be excited to see what's coming in the Blue Dome District in the months to come.

I'm curious why this isn't shouted from the rooftops.

I can understand if it needs to be kept quiet in case someone else wants to move in on a project but I'd think all the business owners would want all the new things to be known ahead of time just to have the word out.

That information could breed more excitement which might bring more development faster.

Am I wrong?  I don't own a business so I could be way off.

[Nik]

I'm curious why this isn't shouted from the rooftops.

I can understand if it needs to be kept quiet in case someone else wants to move in on a project but I'd think all the business owners would want all the new things to be known ahead of time just to have the word out.

That information could breed more excitement which might bring more development faster.

Am I wrong?  I don't own a business so I could be way off.

Yeah, that post by Blake deserves its own thread! Very exciting!

[TheTed]

Hopefully all these breweries will allow us to up our pathetic standing in terms of beer.

[dbacks fan]

Wasn't the Fuddruckers where the Mazzios is now?  I seem to remember it that way...just west of the Wal-Mart Neighborhood market.

Yes thats the location. I had to go look at Google Streets to make sure, I seem to remember it was vacant for some time before Mazzio's took it over.

[Townsend]

Hopefully all these breweries will allow us to up our pathetic standing in terms of beer.

YEAH!!!  West Virginia can choke on our dust, man.

[Hoss]

YEAH!!!  West Virginia can choke on our dust, man.

Once again I insert a comment about our arcane liquor/beer laws in this state.

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

Yeah, that post by Blake deserves its own thread! Very exciting!

Yeah.  He answered my questions about east of Dilly Deli and went way beyond that.  Thanks Blake.

It is too bad nothing can be done with that building accross from El Guapo's.  It would make a good nightclub.  I wish Tulsa had something like OKC's Citywalk.

I am excited to hear about the Mardi Gras events.

[SXSW]

I don't think we need to worry about Marshall's failing.  I think he's selling all the beer he can make right now.

There's two brew pubs in OKC I'm aware of, Bricktown and Belle Isle in 50 Penn Place.  I've eaten at Brick Town and Had Belle Isle's wheat offering at our big regatta in OKC the last two years.  Pretty good brew.

I've had one of the Coop (OKC) beers, I can't remember which now, it was a good beer

http://www.coopaleworks.com/

Hmm doing a Google search, there's also two BJ's Brewhouse restaurants, one at 2425 W. Memorial and another in Norman.  This appears to be a chain or franchise.  I'd not heard of it.  

There's also Coach's in OKC Bricktown and Norman.

So that's six brew pubs and one brewery by my count in OKC, and one brewery for Tulsa.

There are no local ordinances keeping anyone from opening one in Tulsa, it's just the cost of building one adds a ton onto the cost (lowest estimates I've seen for a low-production brewery is about $1mm) of a restaurant.  You would think someone would have stepped up a long time ago and done this again, but apparently no one is interested.

Add in Choc and you've got three micro-breweries and six brew pubs in Oklahoma.  Not bad for a state with backwardsass liquor laws, but it could always be better.

Yes BJ's is a national chain with locations in north OKC on Memorial and Norman by I-35.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a BJ's in the 71st & Memorial area or out by Tulsa Hills, it's nothing special and the beer is OK. Coach's in Norman has good beer though and you can get $2 pints of it at The Library on Boyd during happy hour.

And Utah's liquor laws are even more restrictive than Oklahoma's and they have a much larger microbrewery presence than we do.  

Also, that pisses me off that the owners of the old warehouse and vacant lot at 1st & Elgin aren't interested in selling.  I really think that warehouse would make an awesome brewpub, remove the brick from the arched windows and add some larger windows to show off the brewing equipment; maybe something like what Wallace Engineering did to their building on Brady with a curtain wall system on one side of the building.  Lots of potential with that warehouse, and even adjacent parking until that lot gets developed and then parking could be on the north side along the RR tracks.  Last time I was in Omaha I went to a brewpub in their downtown Old Market district (very similar to Bricktown) called Upstream Brewing Co.  It was a fantastic place in a renovated warehouse similar to the one at 1st & Elgin with great beer and good food as well.  I think the success of any brewpub downtown will hinge on not only having great beer, which won't be a problem if it's Marshall's, but also creating a good restaurant that draws in people, including families, from the suburbs.  But then after 10-11 it becomes a solid brewpub like any other bar in downtown.

[Conan71]

If any of you are friends with Lee's Bicycles on Facebook, they posted a :51 second video on their FB page regarding their new space at 2nd & Frankfurt.  It's not on Youtube or I'd re-post.  Just an empty shell now, they are saying it'll look "like Marilyn Monroe" when they are done.

Go Adam!

[Renaissance]

I don't think we need to worry about Marshall's failing.  I think he's selling all the beer he can make right now.

There's two brew pubs in OKC I'm aware of, Bricktown and Belle Isle in 50 Penn Place.  I've eaten at Brick Town and Had Belle Isle's wheat offering at our big regatta in OKC the last two years.  Pretty good brew.

I've had one of the Coop (OKC) beers, I can't remember which now, it was a good beer

http://www.coopaleworks.com/

Hmm doing a Google search, there's also two BJ's Brewhouse restaurants, one at 2425 W. Memorial and another in Norman.  This appears to be a chain or franchise.  I'd not heard of it. 

There's also Coach's in OKC Bricktown and Norman.

So that's six brew pubs and one brewery by my count in OKC, and one brewery for Tulsa.

There are no local ordinances keeping anyone from opening one in Tulsa, it's just the cost of building one adds a ton onto the cost (lowest estimates I've seen for a low-production brewery is about $1mm) of a restaurant.  You would think someone would have stepped up a long time ago and done this again, but apparently no one is interested.

Add in Choc and you've got three micro-breweries and six brew pubs in Oklahoma.  Not bad for a state with backwardsass liquor laws, but it could always be better.

Two clarifications-  First, BJ's is not a brewpub.  It's a highway food chain that creates its own beer (out of state) and ships it to the restaurants.  It would be like Chili's having its own beer labels.  Second, only the Coach's in Norman is a brewpub.  They make their beer down there and truck it to OKC.  So, unfortunately, the brewpub count goes down by half.  Although Coach's does send beer to several bars around the OKC metro and used to ship to their former location in Tulsa, so maybe they count as both a brewpub and microbrewery . . . ?