McCain Tribute to Neda

[guido911]

The statement the leader of the free world should have gave:

[joiei]

not according to most of his fellow repugs.  At least the ones with any real conscious who care about what happens in the real world.  Sen. Graham does not count.  Neither does either of the senators who I did not vote for from Oklahoma.  The Oklahoma delegation is such an embarrasment in the real world.   I have friends in Florida who ask if these doowops really exist. 

[Conan71]

not according to most of his fellow repugs.  At least the ones with any real conscious who care about what happens in the real world.  Sen. Graham does not count.  Neither does either of the senators who I did not vote for from Oklahoma.  The Oklahoma delegation is such an embarrasment in the real world.   I have friends in Florida who ask if these doowops really exist. 

Since YOU didn't vote for either sitting Oklahoma Senator that makes them automatically wrong on this issue, eh?  Great logic, I applaud you.

[Cats Cats Cats]

As I watch the outrage put forth by some on this board and some politicians.  Neda could have easily been killed during a U.S. Invasion or bombing (based on where things were headed even less than a year ago).  Everyone would be silent, no one would post it on YouTube.  No one would post it on here.  What about all the Nedas that have died by the few errant bombs or stray bullets in Iraq.  Do they not also die for freedom?  Where is their tribute? 

[Wilbur]

As I watch the outrage put forth by some on this board and some politicians.  Neda could have easily been killed during a U.S. Invasion or bombing (based on where things were headed even less than a year ago).  Everyone would be silent, no one would post it on YouTube.  No one would post it on here.  What about all the Nedas that have died by the few errant bombs or stray bullets in Iraq.  Do they not also die for freedom?  Where is their tribute? 

How about the 17,000 murders and 42,000 traffic fatalities each year right here in our own country?

[Red Arrow]

As I watch the outrage put forth by some on this board and some politicians.  Neda could have easily been killed during a U.S. Invasion or bombing (based on where things were headed even less than a year ago).  Everyone would be silent, no one would post it on YouTube.  No one would post it on here.  What about all the Nedas that have died by the few errant bombs or stray bullets in Iraq.  Do they not also die for freedom?  Where is their tribute? 

On al-jazera (spellling?)

[tim huntzinger]

As I watch the outrage put forth by some on this board and some politicians.  Neda could have easily been killed during a U.S. Invasion or bombing (based on where things were headed even less than a year ago).  Everyone would be silent, no one would post it on YouTube.  No one would post it on here.  What about all the Nedas that have died by the few errant bombs or stray bullets in Iraq.  Do they not also die for freedom?  Where is their tribute? 

+100.  I am so glad that this man is not our president.  Congress should get off its buns and declare war on Iran.  We need to take control of the situation.

[guido911]

+100.  I am so glad that this man is not our president.  Congress should get off its buns and declare war on Iran.  We need to take control of the situation.

On queue, know nothing arrives to doosh up another thread. Thanks again for your stupid and meaningless contribution.

[guido911]

How about the 17,000 murders and 42,000 traffic fatalities each year right here in our own country?

Well start a thread and we'll talk about it there. Geesh. This thread is about a freedom-loving Iranian murdered on the streets because she dared to speak out against her government. You have a problem with that, let's hear it.

[tim huntzinger]

Well start a thread and we'll talk about it there. Geesh. This thread is about a freedom-loving Iranian murdered on the streets because she dared to speak out against her government. You have a problem with that, let's hear it.

Dude you are the king of sidetrack.  You ought to be glad anyone is even willing to play in your little sandbox.

I am not doubting Mc's sincerity, but it flies in the face of his joking about bombing the country.  Sorry that eludes you.  Also sorry that you do not understand the 'Constitution' and the Congress' war powers and that idea is uninteresting.

[rhymnrzn]

Congress should get off its buns and declare war on Iran.  We need to take control of the situation.

Oh man, that would add sin to sin, although I am already disgusted with reports that drone aircraft are carrying out slaughter of people in Pakistan and Afganistan.  The intrusion into those levels of exalting our persons over their persons, sky high above and beyond what we would care if they did to us, being treachery and terror, is altogether cruel and dishonourable.  As if it is hoping against hope to think it is in our power to reign in conditions, where we can send and receive persons openly and without the need to check them at the border, where none will resort to the deadly weapons, or have it come to mind, during a time that tokens of goodwill are clearly and quickly brought forth.

[USRufnex]

From Barack Obama's Cairo speech:

"No system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other. That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people."

"For many years, Iran has defined itself in part by opposition to my country, and there is indeed a tumultuous history between us. In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against US troops and civilians. This history is well known."

"Rather than remain trapped in the past, I have made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward. The question now is not what Iran is against, but rather what future it wants to build."

"America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere."

"There are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others."


Tribute to the children of Gaza-- I assume these children have names, too...
http://www.islamway.com/gaza/gallery/?per=90


"Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's," Mr. Obama said. "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."

"Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."

Obama on terrorism:

"None of us should tolerate these extremists. They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths – more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam."

"The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind."

[USRufnex]

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20090623_obama_strongly_condemns_iran_crackdown/

"Some in Iran—some in the Iranian government, in particular, are trying to avoid that debate by accusing the United States and others in the West of instigating protests over the election.  These accusations are patently false.  They're an obvious attempt to distract people from what is truly taking place within Iran's borders.  This tired strategy of using old tensions to scapegoat other countries won't work anymore in Iran.  This is not about the United States or the West; this is about the people of Iran, and the future that they—and only they—will choose.

The Iranian people can speak for themselves.  That's precisely what's happened in the last few days.  In 2009, no iron fist is strong enough to shut off the world from bearing witness to peaceful protests of justice.  Despite the Iranian government's efforts to expel journalists and isolate itself, powerful images and poignant words have made their way to us through cell phones and computers, and so we've watched what the Iranian people are doing.

This is what we've witnessed.  We've seen the timeless dignity of tens of thousands of Iranians marching in silence.  We've seen people of all ages risk everything to insist that their votes are counted and that their voices are heard.  Above all, we've seen courageous women stand up to the brutality and threats, and we've experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets.  While this loss is raw and extraordinarily painful, we also know this:  Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history."

http://washingtonindependent.com/47203/trita-parsi-on-obamas-iran-comments

"What these conservatives are saying — they've got no track record of supporting real human rights in Iran, and are only seeking to advance their own agenda" by making "the U.S. part of the issue," Parsi said. "They pretend to speak in favor of the protesters without ever considering what the Iranian people want. And the people who brought us the Iraq war don't have a leg to stand on on this issue."

Trita Parsi, founder and president of the National Iranian American Council

[USRufnex]

Kouross Esmaeli: John McCain Holds No Credibility as Far as Supporting Iranians
By Heather Tuesday Jun 23, 2009 11:00am
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/kouross-esmaeli-john-mccain-holds-no-credi

KOUROSS ESMAELI: "The Iranians know Senator John McCain as the man who sang "Bomb, bomb Iran" during the elections of last year. The man holds no credibility as far as supporting Iranians or seeming like he's got the best interests of the Iranians at heart. And that, for Iranians and for this issue, that discredits him altogether and discredits this whole attack on President Obama."

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"Over the weekend—and what's amazing is the way the media in the US has been really helping spin this for the Republican right wing. I mean, there were images on CNN and Fox over the weekend of President Obama, I think, buying ice cream for his daughters while the demonstrators in Iran were fighting for their democracy. And they were likening that to President Bush when he was playing golf right after he invaded Iraq and equating the two. It was like, how heartless could Obama be, when he could be—I don't know what he could be doing in order to support Iranians. I think he did the best thing he could do in order to support the Iranians."

[Wilbur]

Well start a thread and we'll talk about it there. Geesh. This thread is about a freedom-loving Iranian murdered on the streets because she dared to speak out against her government. You have a problem with that, let's hear it.

Then you missed my point.  The thread started out talking about Iran until someone (Trogdor) tried to change it to the war in Iraq, which made as much sense as me pointing out the deaths in the US.