61st & Peoria

[patric]

This area hasn't gotten bad, it's been bad.  The root of the crime and despair in this neighborhood goes back decades when it was decided to move low income housing into the area.  The neighborhood archives on the top floor of the central library have several articles from the Tulsa World outlining the optimism of the leaders touting the plan to mass the low income housing in this attractive part of town.  

Something else that didnt work there:
Mayor Initiates Lights On! Project for Neighborhood Safety
https://www.cityoftulsa.org/news/news-stories/2011/lightson9-2011.aspx

Yes, that was one of the areas that got about a dozen new crime fighting lights.  
Nothing says "high crime area" like that glary prison-yard look.

[Townsend]

Hitting national:

Oklahoma Apartment Shooting Update: Twins, 23, among four women found shot to death

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57562767-504083/oklahoma-apartment-shooting-update-twins-23-among-four-women-found-shot-to-death/

(CBS/AP) TULSA, Okla. - Police say 23-year-old twins were among four women found shot to death in an apartment Monday in a rough neighborhood in south Tulsa. A 3-year-old boy was found unharmed.
CBS affiliate KOTV spoke to Larry Powell, the father of the twins, who confirmed that the 3-year-old was his grandson.

"The little baby, you know, he had to sit there all day and look at what they did. How could you do something like that?" Powell said, according to the station.

KOTV reports this is not the first time Powell has experienced the pain of losing a child. His son died from the flu in 2003. Now, his two remaining daughters are also gone.

Officers don't know what relationship the other victims, women ages 33 and 55, had to the twins or the child. Tulsa police spokesman Leland Ashley said Tuesday there is no "clear-cut suspect" and that investigators don't know why the women were killed.

The Fairmont Terrace apartment complex has a nighttime security patrol but police believe the killings occurred in broad daylight.

The bodies were found midday Monday, about an hour after anyone last heard from someone at the apartment.

The neighborhood is about a mile from the Southern Hills Country Club and two miles from Oral Roberts University.

[Conan71]

You are totally clueless. That area has been in decline and been the way that it is since about 1974. Section 8 housing can not screen residents, and if you want routine sweeps by the police, you need Mr. Peabody and his Way Back machine, and go to one of the eastern block countries of the former U.S.S.R. that way you won't have to worry about crime, the police will control everything for you.

Actually, I believe they can and do screen "residents" for income eligibility.  What they can't seem to control are the pieces of scum who "stay" at the complexes.

[Townsend]

TPD: killer connected to one of the quadruple murder victims

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Mayor-Bartlett-comments-on-quadruple-homicide/WCxREH6C8kKLjroK1gJi6g.cspx?rss=2448&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Tulsa police say the killer or killers had a connection to one of the victims in Monday's quadruple homicide.

23-year old Rebeika Powell, 23-year old Kayetie Melchor, 33-year old Misty Nunley and 55-year old Julie Jackson were shot and killed at the Fairmont Terrace Apartments on Monday.

Police say this was not a random shooting and the public should not be concerned for their safety. Police are not releasing any further details at this time.

Police tell FOX23 they have interviewed more than 20 people, including another resident at the complex, they say he is not a suspect and no search warrants have been issued for this investigation.

Mayor Dewey Bartlett also commented on the investigation on Tuesday, saying: "We are within 24-hours of this terrible tragedy. We are looking down every possible avenue for answers to how this situation can be improved in this area of the city. From abatement issues to out of state ownership and management, this issue will remain on the top of my list moving forward.

Although, there have been seven homicides this year, the homicide rate for Tulsa is the lowest it has been in ten years and the Tulsa Police Department is at full strength for the first time in three years.

The Tulsa Police Department is known for their quick efforts of finding perpetrators and I have no doubt that they will live up to their stellar reputation for these cases."

[Teatownclown]

From Tulsa World comments:
IcksPigeon :It starts out as a haven for women and children who can't afford full rent. The women usually have jobs, and need help with food and clothing also, but want to make better lives for themselves. But, sooner or later, the children's fathers show up, or new boyfriends do, and with them come the vilolence, drugs, and guns and knives, and more babies. This happens to all races. The women get stuck in this rut and they are pretty much held captive to these blood sucking men and this way of life.

Actually, I believe they can and do screen "residents" for income eligibility.  What they can't seem to control are the pieces of scum who "stay" at the complexes.

Kudos to TPD...they will get their "man"...again.

So Conan, you don't think it's possible that someone living two or three years in those complexes might be working hard to eventually integrate into the middle class or simply survive?


Riverparks dies out at I44 from the "fear" at 61st.  Let the city of Tulsa negotiate in good faith to purchase as many properties as it takes  to "improve" Riverparks. Then, make the sale contingent on an election to purchase this area and turn it into more Riverside park land part and parcel to Johnson Park. Now, our citizens will understand this type of redevelopment is a priority over Chamber bribe/slush funds. But you do not go about this process declaring the property "nuisance." What's the City, er Mayor, doing recommending the city manager, Twoboy (?), research this? Why do we have a Mayor?

[Breadburner]

That are has been a smile-hole for damn near 30 years....I  did not think it could get worse but it progressively has....Nothing that 5 Cat D 10's could not take care of in a week or so....

[Red Arrow]

That are has been a smile-hole for damn near 30 years....I  did not think it could get worse but it progressively has....Nothing that 5 Cat D 10's could not take care of in a week or so....

Let's speed it up a bit.  Bring in the D-11s.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_D11

[Breadburner]

Lol...Might as well...There is some ripe land in that area for re-developement.......

[AquaMan]

I'm no lawyer, but that seems to be the very definition of stolen to me. Maybe they didn't keep them, but they did remove them from the property of the rightful owner.

No, its with the informal approval of the store, (which is btw, Warehouse Mkt...thanks Red). They are in the business of selling food and merchandise, not locking up customers. They get their baskets back and sell them more food. Also gives some guy a job i guess.

The thought of redeveloping the area appeals to me. I coached little league baseball at Johnson park back in the 80's and it was bad then. No phone service, no newspaper delivery and no food delivery because the service people would get robbed and beaten. But the kids of the complex used to come watch us play and the basketball courts were always busy. We never felt threatened.

Only thing is we would need to do it differently than when they bulldozed down the areas north of downtown without plans for replacing them. Those areas still lie fallow. Maybe the present owners could be involved.

[heironymouspasparagus]

The cycle repeats...this area has been the new "Apache Manor" area of Tulsa for a long, long time.

[Conan71]

Kudos to TPD...they will get their "man"...again.

So Conan, you don't think it's possible that someone living two or three years in those complexes might be working hard to eventually integrate into the middle class or simply survive?

One night in a place like that would be enough to make me claw my way out a lot quicker than that.  I'm quite certain there are people who do eventually work their way out of that situation.  Unfortunately, there are baby daddies and other scum who come around and make them so dangerous.

Oh, and you need to get with your hood lingo.  Those who "stay" there aren't the legal residents.  The are the parasites, pimps, and hangers-on.

[patric]

Riverparks dies out at I44 from the "fear" at 61st.  Let the city of Tulsa negotiate in good faith to purchase as many properties as it takes  to "improve" Riverparks. Then, make the sale contingent on an election to purchase this area and turn it into more Riverside park land part and parcel to Johnson Park. Now, our citizens will understand this type of redevelopment is a priority over Chamber bribe/slush funds. But you do not go about this process declaring the property "nuisance." What's the City, er Mayor, doing recommending the city manager, Twoboy (?), research this? Why do we have a Mayor?

It was a noon-time crime, and the mayor was "out looking at lighting."
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=3895404&navCatId=19942

[DolfanBob]

Got him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259581/Joseph-Tillman-Cops-catch-person-grisly-apartment-bloodbath.html

[Breadburner]

That have not said he is the killer....Just want to question him.....

[AquaMan]

One night in a place like that would be enough to make me claw my way out a lot quicker than that.  I'm quite certain there are people who do eventually work their way out of that situation.  Unfortunately, there are baby daddies and other scum who come around and make them so dangerous.

Oh, and you need to get with your hood lingo.  Those who "stay" there aren't the legal residents.  The are the parasites, pimps, and hangers-on.

They find relatives, friends, ex-girlfriends, disabled etc. and threaten their lives if they don't let them deal out of their premises. That way its hard to track them down and they slip some money to the residents for their trouble. Happens all over town. These are the worst of humankind who threaten a disabled grandparent on SS.