61st & Peoria

[rdj]

The folks that come to buy drugs or the folks that come to sell them?

Section 8 vouchers that are approved thru the Tulsa Housing Authority are not supposed to go to convicted felons.  IF, big IF, that is the case then any felons would have to be visitors, no?

Now, that doesn't preclude someone from passing the "no felons" test but then committing a felony on the property as a resident.

[patric]

Ginnie Graham: Low-income apartment owners called on to discuss changes

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=732&articleid=20130109_11_A1_Foryea705179#

I've always likened utility philanthropists who give away expensive street lighting (on the condition the recipient cover the cost of the required electricity in perpetuity) to heroin dealers recruiting new customers with free samples.

You have to wonder what impact it would have on crime detection if residents were comfortable having their drapes open and able to see outside at night, rather than having to shutter out the intrusive glare of poorly-planned "security" lighting.

[Gaspar]

Section 8 vouchers that are approved thru the Tulsa Housing Authority are not supposed to go to convicted felons.  IF, big IF, that is the case then any felons would have to be visitors, no?

Now, that doesn't preclude someone from passing the "no felons" test but then committing a felony on the property as a resident.

Successful drug dealers aren't felons, neither are functional addicts.

[Teatownclown]

Successful drug dealers aren't felons, neither are functional addicts.

I'd be more afraid of the psychotics than the felons...but that's just me. Functional addicts are every 10 feet.

[sauerkraut]

Another idea would be for the cops to do random raids or just swarm that area every few weeks or so, check license plates, check people's I.D. check people for warrants and things like- that after a while many bad guys will get sick of the cops making surprise rounds of the area and being hassled by the cops so they will move elsewhere, giving some other neighorbood problems.

[patric]

Another idea would be for the cops to do random raids or just swarm that area every few weeks or so, check license plates, check people's I.D. check people for warrants and things like- that after a while many bad guys will get sick of the cops making surprise rounds of the area and being hassled by the cops so they will move elsewhere, giving some other neighorbood problems.

Every now and then you have grant money that pays for something like that, and the grantor expects certain results in exchange.  The unintended consequences are that door-to-door incursions adversely impact the law-abiding.

Meanwhile, the trail goes cold:
Investigators do not expect additional charges to be filed against a man interviewed in connection with Monday's quadruple homicide at
Fairmont Terrace.
Investigators are expected to spend Thursday regrouping in an attempt to find anything they may be missing, he said.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/news/crimewatch/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20130110_450_0_Invest246207

[rdj]

Successful drug dealers aren't felons, neither are functional addicts.

I was responding to the suggestion from 'kraut that the landlords do "background checks, credit checks and criminal history." 

[Breadburner]

The real deal is you spread these types out instead of concentrating them in certain areas.....

[rdj]

The real deal is you spread these types out instead of concentrating them in certain areas.....

That's why this complex exists.  It was spreading out the undesirables from north Tulsa.

[patric]

That's why this complex exists.  It was spreading out the undesirables from north Tulsa.

Im sure a well-intended vision was to move under-privileged families to a part of town with more opportunities, but the execution was horribly flawed by simply re-locating high-density poverty to another high-density location.   A ghetto is still a ghetto even if you change the zip code.

[Breadburner]

That's why this complex exists.  It was spreading out the undesirables from north Tulsa.

You missed my point, re-concentrating them is not the answer......

[guido911]

What was the 61st & Peoria area like before public housing began there? Who is/was responsible for that location?

[Teatownclown]

What was the 61st & Peoria area like before public housing began there? Who is/was responsible for that location?

late 1970's... But don't look back. Look forward because in 20 years there will be other enclaves of outdated multi family dwellings in need of rehabilitation just ripe for urban mania. How do you stop it?

[DolfanBob]

131st and 145th E Av is Indian Springs Apartment complex in Broken Arrow. I really can't remember them having the type problems that 61st and Peoria does.
It has been Government housing for as long as I can remember.

[DTowner]

What was the 61st & Peoria area like before public housing began there? Who is/was responsible for that location?

I don't know the earlier history, but when I moved to Tulsa the first time in 1987 I looked at several apartments in that area.  Many were relatively new and had obviously been planned before the oil bust.  Most had move in deals that included the first 2 or 3 months rent free, etc.  Places like The Glens and Sand Dollar were pretty nice (even if chepaly built).  I remember the Kensington Mall aleady was pretty dead.  I ended up living in TU housing, but I had a good friend who lived at The Glens from 1987 through 1990.  The deterioration of that stretch of Peoria during that period was pretty dramatic (not that it was upscale before), complete with increasing petty theft and the sounds of gun shots.

I always assumed that many of these apartment owners turned to section 8 because of the apartment glut in the mid to late 1980s and the fact that this area both had too many apartments and already was developing a negative reputation for crime, etc. that made it a tough sell to full price buyers.  I assumed the city was also encouraging it as part of its efforts to "spread out" section 8 housing from concentrations in parts of north Tulsa.