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Started by FOTD, August 26, 2009, 07:22:00 AM

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shadows

Quote from: TulsaSooner on October 02, 2009, 08:35:26 PM
The bonds to buy OneTech were not tax free bonds, they were about half and half, presumably, because about half of the space was for tax free purposes (City space) and half was to be leased (private space). 

According to my 4th grade civics class the revenue bond interest is tax free. This was passed under the cloak that it would encourage the selling of the bonds at a reduced interest rate saving the taxpayers money.  They are being used to circumvent the general obligation bonds which are attached to the property taxes.   The interest on such bonds are non-taxable as income although the total is listed as assets by the banks that purchase the bonds.  In the instant case the interest amounts to much more than the principal of the bond.

There seems to be some confusion as when RB can be issued for capital improvements instead of GO bonds.

The part of city usage on all property is exempted from all taxes.

It would be a interest to the citizen to know how many dollars are involved in the issuing of revenue bonds by the city and all their trusts which the citizen is obligated to pay.    Remember the airlines? 
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

TulsaSooner

Dude, relax.  The bonds on the building are about half and half because that is the ratio of private to public (thus taxable/non-taxable)  occupancy of the building and garage.

Oil Capital

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Quote from: TulsaSooner on October 04, 2009, 02:19:32 AM
Dude, relax.  The bonds on the building are about half and half because that is the ratio of private to public (thus taxable/non-taxable)  occupancy of the building and garage.


Dude, check your facts:   According to the City of Tulsa's website http://www.cityoftulsa.org/media/32918/otc_factsheet_09-09.pdf:

"The purchase of the building was financed through the sale of $67 million in tax-exempt revenue bonds."
 

shadows

#93
Quote from: Oil Capital on October 04, 2009, 09:35:14 AM
According to the City of Tulsa's website http://www.cityoftulsa.org/media/32918/otc_factsheet_09-09.pdf:

"The purchase of the building was financed through the sale of $67 million in tax-exempt revenue bonds."

It is reassuring to read where the old cliché of the fox explaining the conditions within the hen house which equates to Wil-Tel, builder of the building, deleting the stockholder's equity, thus sold the building at a profit, now using the technology installed under the name of "Level 3", with the original employees of Wil-Tel.  It is assuring to know that the bank is lending the 67 million dollars to buy the building without interest for years to come.

For such a energy efficient building there seems to be quite a discrepancy in  the cost of heating and cooling projected where it seems the Williams Brothers maintain control.

In the issuing of revenue bonds one would believe that they were to be paid back by revenue derived from the capital gains from which the bonds were issued.  City governments may not have authority to enter into the real-estate market.

The referral to the explanation of the issuing of the financing the purchase equals the posting of OK City for the Tulsa sky line.   The blundering into a transaction described by the sly fox may have long repercussions'           
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

cannon_fodder

#94
Since this is space owned by the residents of Tulsa and paid for by the residents of Tulsa . . . can we think of a creative interim use for it?

98,000 square feet available in two open 48,000 square foot floors.

Maybe use it as "development space" and lease it on the cheap to lure companies to Tulsa ($10 sq/ft for the first 2 years . . . then full or move to another Tulsa location)?

Maybe TU/OSU/OU could utilize the space for cheap for some temporary project or to run a business start up enterprise (which could include office space/cubicles)?

Some city services that need extra room for temporary projects?

Hell, I don't know.  We own the space, let's use it.
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Conan71

Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 05, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
Since this is space owned by the residents of Tulsa and paid for by the residents of Tulsa . . . can we think of a creative interim use for it?

98,000 square feet available in two open 48,000 square foot floors.

Indoor bocce ball pitches
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Townsend

Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 05, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
Since this is space owned by the residents of Tulsa and paid for by the residents of Tulsa . . . can we think of a creative interim use for it?

98,000 square feet available in two open 48,000 square foot floors.

Paint Ball

RecycleMichael

Power is nothing till you use it.

TulsaSooner

Quote from: Oil Capital on October 04, 2009, 09:35:14 AM
Dude, check your facts:   According to the City of Tulsa's website http://www.cityoftulsa.org/media/32918/otc_factsheet_09-09.pdf:

"The purchase of the building was financed through the sale of $67 million in tax-exempt revenue bonds."

Then that statement is incorrect....unless you do not believe audited financials.

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/COTlegacy/documents/2007CityofTulsa-ComprehensiveAnnualFinancialReport_000.pdf

See page 70 of the document, Note 14, 3rd paragraph.

QuoteOn November 20, 2007 the TPFA issued its Lease Payment Revenue Bonds, Series 2007A in the amount of $34,620 and Taxable Series 2007B in the amount of $33,130 for the purposes of retiring the promissory note and making certain improvements to the One Technology Center building.

Oil Capital

Quote from: TulsaSooner on October 05, 2009, 12:41:11 PM
Then that statement is incorrect....unless you do not believe audited financials.

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/COTlegacy/documents/2007CityofTulsa-ComprehensiveAnnualFinancialReport_000.pdf

See page 70 of the document, Note 14, 3rd paragraph.


Well, it's certainly not the first time Kathy Taylor's administration has lied to us.  ;-)    I stand corrected.
 

TulsaSooner

All I've ever wanted was to be right on the innerwebs.   ;D

Conan71

Quote from: TulsaSooner on October 05, 2009, 02:13:58 PM
All I've ever wanted was to be right on the innerwebs.   ;D

Full of WIN!

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

cannon_fodder

I guess this really goes to how unaware/mislead people are.  Even when reviewing the documents it is difficult to get to the exact details of the transaction.
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shadows

I apologize as the page reflects the assumed mentality of those in control within the IDL (God's little acreage)  The reading of the report makes one wonder if it was subscribed for on the price per page basis.  This would account to the endurance of ones ability to stay awake while determining what all the paper shuffling is about.  Instead of fixing the roads we should spend that money on building a wall with a gate which would allow only those who rule to have their little kingdom and shut out the working poor except collecting taxes and fees from them.
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.