Decrease in private sector-increase in government jobs

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According to latest predictions Tulsa Metro area will loose jobs through 2010 in the private sector.   At the same time it is predicted government and taxpayer related jobs will increase. 

What is the solution as we are in a budget crisis only to place additional tax burdens on the working poor?

Among the elite is there an answer for exporting these local jobs to other states and countries?

[DCtransplant]

In the short term this shouldn't really be a surprise with federal money pouring out to states/municipalities through ARRA

According to latest predictions Tulsa Metro area will loose jobs through 2010 in the private sector.   At the same time it is predicted government and taxpayer related jobs will increase. 

What is the solution as we are in a budget crisis only to place additional tax burdens on the working poor?

Among the elite is there an answer for exporting these local jobs to other states and countries?

[FOTD]

According to latest predictions Tulsa Metro area will loose jobs through 2010 in the private sector.   At the same time it is predicted government and taxpayer related jobs will increase. 

What is the solution as we are in a budget crisis only to place additional tax burdens on the working poor?

Among the elite is there an answer for exporting these local jobs to other states and countries?

Not an elitist, but FOTD would suggest repealing Frank Keatings' Right to Work legislation. We might look into image building but that would take a miracle.

What's this about added tax burden to the working poor? Can you please define working poor? Once 2010 is over taxes go back to the pre Bush give away to the wealthy structure then the burden on the working poor will not be significant. The best thing for the working poor is job creation. Plus, Obama is increasing taxes on individuals making over $250,000 per year which is not at the working poor level.  

And let's not forget the lag effect where Oklahoma was the last to enter the recession and will be one of the last to exit....at least it was not as bad here as other states. If Mary Fallin gets into the governors office you can count on further job losses. She hates the creation of more social service government jobs. She wants to count on the private sector for job creation. She be waiting a long time if she thinks people want to move backwards.

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According to the fed wage scale if your making less that $160.00 dollars a day you are of the working poor. 

Place an add for taking applications @$20.00 per hour and get about a dozen policemen for traffic control and clear the window of the tower of ivy and behold the working poor assembling below. 

Has anyone seen the figure of how many dollars has been taken out of the Tulsa economy by the artist performing in the new arena when they leave town?

[Conan71]

Not an elitist, but FOTD would suggest repealing Frank Keatings' Right to Work legislation. We might look into image building but that would take a miracle.

Repealing right to work won't cure it.  You could start by repealing NAFTA, but then all that happens is the maquiladoras shut down and that work goes to China and India.  Cheap people wanting cheap goods is the reason union-type jobs are being squeezed into foreign lands as well as the companies who use their labor.

[cannon_fodder]

NAFTA has made more money for the USA than for Mexico.

We are concerned about American jobs moving to Mexico . . . but really only LOW SKILL jobs have gone.  If you notice, Toyota, Honda, and others built plants in the USA to manufacture cars after NAFTA was passed.  They used high end processes and state of the art techniques that required a skilled labor force. 

Additionally, EVERY consumer in the United States has benefited from NAFTA.  Either by increased exports or cheaper products.  While the guy pushing the button the plastic injection mold now pushes a button at the Turnpike Toll plaza, the guy making tank farms kept his job to supply new tanks to Petroleos Mexicanos.  The guy buiding school buses in Tulsa kept his job because the plant can remain competitive over Indian plants by purchasing some parts made in Canada without terrifs. 

Competition isn't something to be afraid of.  It's something to embrace.  Without it we grow uncompetitive and get over taken.  Why do you think Europe went to a giant free-trade zone?  It was an attempt to raise competition so they could attempt to match the productivity and industrial output of the United States.

Free-Trade = win win.

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Ask Detroit or Pittsburgh about what having unions that are too strong can do for you.   Unions should be free to organize and workers should be free to join.  No one should ever be forced to join a union and no employer should be allowed to fire someone for joining or attempting to form one.   It's that simple.

I think more unions in Oklahoma could do good.  Several unions advocate for better wages and benefits by offering better reliability, higher quality, or a stable pool of workers.  But others just take more and more with no seeming benefit to everyone else.  Let the market hash out the difference, not laws essentially mandating union membership.

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And I don't mind short term government jobs/work in a down economy.  My problem is those government jobs and/or programs rarely go away.  When the benefits, pay scale, vacation, and job security of a government job is seen as a Golden Goose . . . then something is wrong.  A government job should be a nice middle of the road position for qualified people - not a highly sought after commodity worthy of jealousy (I realize this is not always the case, just sayin'). 

[Red Arrow]

I remember Jimmy Carter saying in his 1976 Presidential campaign that the income taxes from new government jobs would (help) pay for the jobs.   

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CF The guy buiding school buses in Tulsa kept his job because the plant can remain competitive over Indian plants by purchasing some parts made in Canada without terrifs.

Seems the presumed city contract with the bus company rental at $1.00 per year and other benefits would have some bearing on the location for suburban jobs. 

RA: I remember Jimmy Carter saying in his 1976 Presidential campaign that the income taxes from new government jobs would (help) pay for the jobs.

We are following the same reasoning that we can spend ourselves into prosperity by creating government related jobs directly and indirectly.  By this government employment we will create a bigger income tax base.   

Do you have any reason to believe that the G20 meetings are telling us to shore up our monetary system or change to a world system?