UNBELIEVABLE - Texas Ed Agency set to delete Armstrong from texts

[Wrinkle]

Texas Education Agency's (TEA) 'TEKS' Board (Texas Education Knowledge and Skills) is set to vote in January on a Board recommendation to remove Neil Armstrong's name from 5th Grade Social Study textbooks.

"Too many names to remember" as reason. Besides, his was not a science feat, claims the board.

Some astonished Texans "believe there is an agenda to minimize early American conquests".

And, this is TEXAS! Can you imagine what's going on in Vermont?

[custosnox]

Link to source?

[rwarn17588]

And, this is TEXAS! Can you imagine what's going on in Vermont?

Getting a better education, no doubt. Vermont always does well with education ratings.

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

[Wrinkle]

Link to source?

Sorry, thought I did.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2009/09/neil_armstrong_isnt_worthy_of_texas_textbooks.html
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2009/09/armstrong_part_two.html

[Wrinkle]

Getting a better education, no doubt. Vermont always does well with education ratings.

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

I'd question any "smartest" ratings which associate intelligence with School Revenue per $1,000 of Personal Income (#1), Average Teacher Salary as Percent of Average Pay for All Workers. (#11),  Average Class Size (#17 & #18), Special Education Student-Teacher Ratio (#15) and Median Pupil-Teacher Ratio (#19-#21), among others.

http://www.morganquitno.com/edfact06.htm#FACTORS

And, it says nothing about what students are actually being taught, especially with regard to Social Studies, Science and History.

[rwarn17588]

I'd question any "smartest" ratings which associate intelligence with School Revenue per $1,000 of Personal Income (#1), Average Teacher Salary as Percent of Average Pay for All Workers. (#11),  Average Class Size (#17 & #18), Special Education Student-Teacher Ratio (#15) and Median Pupil-Teacher Ratio (#19-#21), among others.

http://www.morganquitno.com/edfact06.htm#FACTORS

And, it says nothing about what students are actually being taught, especially with regard to Social Studies, Science and History.

OK. Well, Vermont has an average ACT score more than two points higher than Texas -- well above 10 percent better.

http://www.act.org/news/data/09/states.html

You disparaged the quality of education in Vermont. When I showed you evidence that clearly showed the contrary, you disparage the study.

Then you fret about what the kids are being taught in Vermont, and I have a study that clearly shows that Vermont kids doing better than Texas kids.

What's so bad about the education system in Vermont (especially in comparison to Texas)? How would you know? Let's have some facts here to support your notion.

[FOTD]

Get real. Last week it was reported Nation wide that only %23 of high schoolers from my home state know who the first president of the US was....there is a purpose behind dumbing down our students. And no, FOTD does not don a tin hat. The evidence speaks for itself. Especially in the secessionist states.

[custosnox]

I don't like blogs as reputal sources, though he does link back to a paper (at least I think that is what it is).  However, I did some digging and found this Historical Figures by Grade Level for Texashttp://www.tea.state.tx.us/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=6414 which does have Neil, along with others, crossed out.  Now the interesting one is for grade 4 which has State and local government leaders cross out and put underneath it is Texans as President of the United States. 

Everything I have been able to find on the subject gives the reason for removing him as either he is not a scientist, or because the room was needed in curriculim to teach about Christmas....

[waterboy]

No. I think you miss the point. You see, we never really landed on the moon. Armstrong was a patsy. It was just a stage setup. Folks in Texas probably are aware of that. 

[custosnox]

No. I think you miss the point. You see, we never really landed on the moon. Armstrong was a patsy. It was just a stage setup. Folks in Texas probably are aware of that. 

Oh yes, I forgot that the studio was located in Texas, which gave them the insiders knowledge on that.  Are the Flatearthers relocating their headquarters there? (for the first time in my life, I'm almost ashamed to call myself a Texan, btw)

[RecycleMichael]

Maybe Texans brains can't remember the Alamo and all them there different Armstrong fellas. If you had to pick between Neil Armstrong, Louie Armstrong, Jack Armstrong, and Lance Armstrong, you would pick the bicycling one from Texas.

[Conan71]

Maybe Texans brains can't remember the Alamo and all them there different Armstrong fellas. If you had to pick between Neil Armstrong, Louie Armstrong, Jack Armstrong, and Lance Armstrong, you would pick the bicycling one from Texas.

Well, you know I would anyhow.   

[Red Arrow]

No. I think you miss the point. You see, we never really landed on the moon. Armstrong was a patsy. It was just a stage setup. Folks in Texas probably are aware of that. 

I thought that all happened on a Hollywood sound stage. One of the James Bond movies would seem to indicate that.

[Wrinkle]

OK. Well, Vermont has an average ACT score more than two points higher than Texas -- well above 10 percent better.

http://www.act.org/news/data/09/states.html

You disparaged the quality of education in Vermont. When I showed you evidence that clearly showed the contrary, you disparage the study.

Then you fret about what the kids are being taught in Vermont, and I have a study that clearly shows that Vermont kids doing better than Texas kids.

What's so bad about the education system in Vermont (especially in comparison to Texas)? How would you know? Let's have some facts here to support your notion.

To start, I didn't blast Vermont's educational achievements, quality, or compare their intelligence, based upon anything, to Texas. Based upon your initial reply, I did question 'intelligence' ratings based upon the criteria used (by their own admission). That would apply to all listed schools, not just Texas or Vermont.

Since you appear to have missed it, it was about political leanings. Vermont is a liberal state, Texas a conservative state. If a conservative state is acting this way, I asked one to imagine what might be happening in a liberal state, like Vermont.

That would have little to do with test scores, or general intelligence.

[rwarn17588]

To start, I didn't blast Vermont's educational achievements, quality, or compare their intelligence, based upon anything, to Texas. Based upon your initial reply, I did question 'intelligence' ratings based upon the criteria used (by their own admission). That would apply to all listed schools, not just Texas or Vermont.

Since you appear to have missed it, it was about political leanings. Vermont is a liberal state, Texas a conservative state. If a conservative state is acting this way, I asked one to imagine what might be happening in a liberal state, like Vermont.

That would have little to do with test scores, or general intelligence.

Glad you finally cleared that up, although the leanings argument wasn't mentioned at all in your initial post.

Although whether Vermont is conservative or whether Texas is liberal is irrelevant. The reasoning for dumping Armstrong from the books is decidedly nonpartisan. Anyone who thinks Armstrong is a scientist is the type who thinks a faith healer is a licensed physician.