Looks like the OHP takes it on the chin yet again.

[Hoss]

Get a grip......

Wow, guess you sure told me.   

[DTowner]

But should it be a death sentence? 

Yeah, physically attacking an armed police officer is pretty much a death wish - there are not many ways that is going to end well for someone.  There are plenty of issues with police abuse of force (and creating hostile environments with confrontational attitudes), but here it appears the victim put himself in position where he was likely going to get shot and probably killed.

[patric]

Yeah, physically attacking an armed police officer is pretty much a death wish - there are not many ways that is going to end well for someone.  There are plenty of issues with police abuse of force (and creating hostile environments with confrontational attitudes), but here it appears the victim put himself in position where he was likely going to get shot and probably killed.

Because you always win shoving matches with guns.


"There is no controversy about this," Gary J. James, an attorney representing Oklahoma troopers, told The Washington Post in an e-mail. It's "all on video and audio from both state troopers vehicles."

...that you are withholding.

Sounds strangely familiar.

"OHP insisted video captured by its troopers' dash cameras would exonerate them and show that the fight started when one of the paramedics assaulted a trooper."
http://www.newson6.com/story/10499495/ohp-denies-dashcam-video-request

[DTowner]

Because you always win shoving matches with guns.

I'm sure if you were armed and someone physcially attacked you, you would be content to just wrestle around in hopes you would eventually win the match and your attacker would not decide to grab your gun and use it against you.

Police have and are abusing their authority and that justifies a healthy level of suspicion in these incidences, but ignoring the the facts of each one and, in this case, the stupidity of physically attacking a police officer is ridiculous.  Always siding with the victim despite the evidence is just as bad as always believing police force is justified.

[AquaMan]

A couple bros. go shooting snakes in swampy flood waters. Of course they have to have some whiskey or beer. That's Oklahoma redneck stuff. They broke no laws.

Our saviors, The Highway Patrol, report they are "rescuing" two brothers from flood waters. Did they look like or sound like they were rescuing anyone? No, they were standing on the banks yelling at them like they were dumbass criminals instead of dumbass drunks. It sounded like one even told them to get out and hit the ground. This ain't Broderick Crawford or Andy Griffith type authorities. These guys took an attitude with some locals, enraged them and then dealt with their ignorant behavior by, what else?, just shoot the mf's.

Is that how we solve things these days? Piss people off, or scare them into running then ...just shoot them?

[DolfanBob]

That's Oklahoma redneck stuff. They broke no laws.(sic)

Driving into high water while drunk and or drinking? Seems like a law was broken somewhere in there.
Of course the Patrolman has no idea of that until he is attacked by an upstanding Christian citizen who's drunk.
It seems Alcohol played a very large part in this tragedy. I too am not a happy drunk. It only took me 38 years to realize that and do something about it.

[patric]

Police have and are abusing their authority and that justifies a healthy level of suspicion in these incidences, but ignoring the the facts of each one and, in this case, the stupidity of physically attacking a police officer is ridiculous.  Always siding with the victim despite the evidence is just as bad as always believing police force is justified.

You must admit the agencies half-truths, stalling, lack of transparency and overall hubris tends to steer you in that direction.

[Breadburner]

Some of you would make excellent Monday morning quarterbacks.......

[Vashta Nerada]

Get a grip......

You subbing for Guido during the Glanz blackout?

[Vashta Nerada]

But should it be a death sentence?  Seems like more and more lately the dispensation of deadly force is becoming the rule, not the exception.

Its called "I dont have to face the consequences."

[Vashta Nerada]

OHP released a little of the dash cam video. Cop in general talking to both men like an A-Hole and one of them bum rushes him and knocks them out of the camera view. Not sure why he did. But he did.
Should he die for that? probably not. I can't see that the man had any gun or weapon in his hand. But he did attack.

If this 40 seconds is the only part of the dashcam videos that make the troopers look good...

Washington Post:   It doesn't appear as if the squad car's flashing lights are on, one of several reasons why the Fischer family says Nehemiah and Brandon might not have known it was a state trooper shouting at them.

"Settle down, do you hear me?" the officer says. "Settle down." "Get on the ground, motherf*****!"

"Get him wet!" someone else yells, possibly Brandon Fischer encouraging his brother. (The troopers are seen parked on the dry road while the brothers are soaked from working in the flooded ditch.)
The "officer clearly aggressively steps towards the young men escalating a situation where a reasonable person could use force necessary to repel the assault by the trooper. The trooper goads the man in a tragic situation where they could have saved his vehicle. Instead the officer chose to goad and mock him refusing assistance."
"Why is the OHP ordering them out of ankle-knee deep water in the first place?" "It didn't look life-threatening. The only real danger in this situation is the OHP."




It appears to be an attempt at discrediting the brother (who witnesses the homicide) and even though OHP is sitting on more footage from multiple dashcams, they are likely hoping this carefully-crafted distortion will be the only follow-up most media outlets will give this story.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

So what is the toxicology report on the brothers? A Christian Minister and his brother rush two people that they don't recognize (they have Smokey Bear hats on, and they are dressed in trooper uniforms that are easily recognizable) because of alleged taunting and one of them is carrying a weapon on his hip (Yes I understand open carry law after living in Arizona for 13 years) and it turns out they are OHP and one attacks an officer and the officer is at fault? What are the officers supposed to do? Lay down and get the crap beat out of them or shot and killed?

Vashta, I challenge you to aggressively challenge a LEO with a gun on your hip, or better yet challenge/charge one in general and see what happens. Better yet, you have an agenda against any LEO, when something happens to you, don't call for help, just suck it up, and go on with life.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

I'm sure that Vashta will regard this as a righteous kill of an officer. That he deserved what he got.

http://archive.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2010/03/25/20100325gr-shuhandler03271.html

[Weatherdemon]

If this 40 seconds is the only part of the dashcam videos that make the troopers look good...

Washington Post:   It doesn't appear as if the squad car's flashing lights are on, one of several reasons why the Fischer family says Nehemiah and Brandon might not have known it was a state trooper shouting at them.

"Settle down, do you hear me?" the officer says. "Settle down." "Get on the ground, motherf*****!"

"Get him wet!" someone else yells, possibly Brandon Fischer encouraging his brother. (The troopers are seen parked on the dry road while the brothers are soaked from working in the flooded ditch.)
The "officer clearly aggressively steps towards the young men escalating a situation where a reasonable person could use force necessary to repel the assault by the trooper. The trooper goads the man in a tragic situation where they could have saved his vehicle. Instead the officer chose to goad and mock him refusing assistance."
"Why is the OHP ordering them out of ankle-knee deep water in the first place?" "It didn't look life-threatening. The only real danger in this situation is the OHP."




It appears to be an attempt at discrediting the brother (who witnesses the homicide) and even though OHP is sitting on more footage from multiple dashcams, they are likely hoping this carefully-crafted distortion will be the only follow-up most media outlets will give this story.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/attorney-says-brother-threatened-to-kill-troopers-who-shot-tulsa/article_cc6243a7-c7d2-5b87-8438-b0c74ee0c593.html

[patric]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/attorney-says-brother-threatened-to-kill-troopers-who-shot-tulsa/article_cc6243a7-c7d2-5b87-8438-b0c74ee0c593.html

"(Trooper's Association Gary James said) Those troopers weren't taunting them. They were on a state roadway. They have state jurisdiction there."

Isnt this the same union lawyer who insisted that Trooper Martin's dashcam video clearly showed the ambulance paramedics attacking the trooper?  That the video completely exonerated Trooper Martin, and its too bad we cant show you that video?
(Spoiler: It didnt).

40 seconds of one of the 30-minute videos falls short of transparency.  We should also see the 2nd video of the trooper whose microphone wasnt underwater.  How much "preparation" does that require?