We are gona burn some trash

[shadows]

Goody goody we are getting ready to burn the trash in the trash burner the taxpayers build for a private company who had the best honeymoon agreement where the city continue to pay all expenses so it seem.  The city Auditor had deep questions when the burner owners submitted a bill for their Christmas party for a $1,000.  It doesn't matter as the price of the burning of the trash, it is the fringe benefits derived from the limit disposal of trash. 

O' well another cost to the working poor controlled by the good gangs.

[we vs us]

I have no opinion about the incinerator but I really like your title.

We are gonna burn some trash!

[Conan71]

You guys talkin' trash??!!

[Townsend]

Just talkin' 'bout trash

[shadows]

60 some years ago the FFA school children were taught on how to make a methane gas generator from the barnyard waist.   This could be used to light the house and operate the cook stove.   The burning of waste is the most inefficient and costly way of disposing of those things nature has provided us with .   For half the money spent on the trash burner we could have installed a conveyer system where we could separate the recycle item and what by nature will return to the dust, enclosed in a methane gas generator and the burnable make in the pellets for heating.  The renewable energy would prepare us if we utilized the simple rules of survival. When we effected the burn bands on individual we did not eliminate the fire hazard but only formed another bureaucracy that becomes more costly each year. We are rapidly seeking our demise liken the dinosaurs' who could not adapt to changes. 

[Hoss]

60 some years ago the FFA school children were taught on how to make a methane gas generator from the barnyard waist.   This could be used to light the house and operate the cook stove.   The burning of waste is the most inefficient and costly way of disposing of those things nature has provided us with .   For half the money spent on the trash burner we could have installed a conveyer system where we could separate the recycle item and what by nature will return to the dust, enclosed in a methane gas generator and the burnable make in the pellets for heating.  The renewable energy would prepare us if we utilized the simple rules of survival. When we effected the burn bands on individual we did not eliminate the fire hazard but only formed another bureaucracy that becomes more costly each year. We are rapidly seeking our demise liken the dinosaurs' who could not adapt to changes. 

Yep, yet another tidbit of lucidity courtesy of Shadows...

[FOTD]

Just talkin' 'bout trash

not trash....hash

[RecycleMichael]

For half the money spent on the trash burner we could have installed a conveyer system where we could separate the recycle item and what by nature will return to the dust, enclosed in a methane gas generator and the burnable make in the pellets for heating. 

Can you provide us with an example of a city that has done this?

Can you cite any cost figures to back up your claims?

[PonderInc]

If anyone's really interested in the topic, I found a very interesting academic paper (from 2000) that discusses the economics, technology and feasibility of a Materials Recovery System for NYC. 
http://www.seas.columbia.edu/earth/dubanmrf.pdf 

(Of course, different economics are at play here in Tulsa, but it's still a fascinating topic.) 

The automated system they describe is a brilliant Rube Goldberg process that uses everything from jets of air to separate lightweight materials from heavy ones (like plastic from glass); magnets to separate ferrous metals from non-ferrous ones; electrical current eddies to separate different types of non-ferrous metals; light spectrophotometry to distinguish among different colors of glass; infrared technology to distinguish different colors and transparancies of plastic; etc, etc.

Despite all the technological break-throughs, the study still focuses on "source separated, co-mingled recyclables."   That is, you keep your recyclables separate from your garbage.

Los Angeles seems to have success with materials recovery from "single-source" collection (ie: trash and recylables are collected together...and then human sorters separate the recycling from the garbage).  Ick.

[shadows]

Can you provide us with an example of a city that has done this?

Can you cite any cost figures to back up your claims?

Edison did not have an example before he developed all the electrical inventions.   
Where do people think methane gas comes from? (yea ONG)
When are we going to realize that the future generations will have to use the grand canyon to dump this trash we are generating today?
We can take steps to reduce our process as a money grabbing society to protect an ever developing output of item we do not need.   We have over produced and imported in the E fields where the waste has become a hazard even to our existence.  As much as 70% of the building, including homes  in Tulsa were required by ordinance to use lead pipe to dispose of waste water.  This lead poisoned waste we are dumping in the Arkansas river.

The last display on the conveyer system of recycling was on the Dr. Phil show in action and it would be in his archives or you can contact him and he can give you the city where the tape was made

Hoss:  There are pictures in the encyclopedias and text books on the use of rural methane gas generators.  There was a recent article in the TW on a company purchasing the right to collect the methane gas from a city dump.  It has been very easy to obtain a worthless piece of paper to purchase the gas and even the cost can be taken out of your bank account putting others out of work.  The hell of it is foreign corporations are using that worthless paper to purchase the last of our assets to be operated by foreign labor. 

[RecycleMichael]

That is your problem shadows...you talk in broken circles of delusion and anecdotal history, yet propose preposterous solutions.

No city has ever done what you proclaim is the solution. Pay attention.

You are no Thomas Edison.

[Wrinkle]

Would you please post links to the air quality reports to which you refer. Not that I don't like to take your word for it, just like to have the validity.

[shadows]

That is your problem shadows...you talk in broken circles of delusion and anecdotal history, yet propose preposterous solutions.

No city has ever done what you proclaim is the solution. Pay attention.

You are no Thomas Edison.

The problem is the lack of insight as how or why you are assigned to this planet.  Within your shallow reasoning are all of us to believe that the combining of the elements that created this body we are guest in cannot be used to destroy it?  We have created this monster of a enormous amount of waste by combining and allow the unqualified to protect the society to assemble and disassemble these elements on which we were created or evolved.   The recycling of these element provided to us by creation on this single planet in possibly three trillion other solar systems is not only simple but cost effective relative to sustaining this event called life.   The engineering design of reclaiming what we are destroying is of the very simplest of grade school engineering.  

Thomas Edison dropped out of school at the 4th grade level.  There is some who has the foresight to develop a system that will extend our existence.   Bill Gates dropped out of college at the second year.  Many others can be cited that inherent the foresight of complex design but we cannot establish a simple cost efficient design to separate reclaimable items and return them to their source.  

True, I am not a rebirth of Thomas Edison but the design of reclaiming would be a simple engineering problem still to obtain one would require a bureaucracy $250,000 study on feasibility; a search of engineering firms at $200,000;  $250,000 travel expense to see how others were recycling, a $50 million plant with a value of $5 million, hiring 10 employees and 30 supervisors/ inspector  all based on market of recycle materials could produce a profit of up to $ 300,000 thousand for the city.  

All this in a city of millionaires running to be its mayor spending hundreds thousand of dollars on campaigns.  

The time has come the Walrus said, to speak of many things,  Of shoes of ships, of sealing wax, of cabbages and kings.      

[Red Arrow]

 The recycling of these element provided to us by creation on this single planet in possibly three trillion other solar systems is not only simple but cost effective relative to sustaining this event called life.   The engineering design of reclaiming what we are destroying is of the very simplest of grade school engineering.   

Tomas Edison dropped out of school at the 4th grade level...  Bill Gates dropped out of college at the second year. 

True, I am not a rebirth of Thomas Edison but the design of reclaiming would be a simple engineering problem...

If it's that simple, go for it. Come up with the design.  You may not become rich but you will earn the eternal gratitude of the world.

[shadows]

Can you provide us with an example of a city that has done this?

Can you cite any cost figures to back up your claims?

Try Google "GK Recycling systems with pictures" or others listed.

10% of the burned ash containing heavy metals go in land fills that will contaminated the ground water.   Ark's chicken farmer, the river, and OK are going to spend millions of dollars trying to settle a prevailing issue.  Our trash problem is only waiting a place in time.