TMAPC Commissioner, Elizabeth Wright: Public Hearing

[Conan71]

Which is also in Tulsa.

FYI, inteller's house never backed to Target, but he was close.

Nice neighborhood association.. lot of people really excited about one store.

WTH were they expecting was going to get built on that lot, anyhow?

[FOTD]

WTH were they expecting was going to get built on that lot, anyhow?

Really. People who buy adjacent to vacant lots are just waiting in limbo before clutter, noise, visibility etc. adversely effect their lives.

[swake]

The really strange part is that the Target is a lot nicer and more of a benefit to the area than the car lots all around the store and much nicer than the ratty fireworks stand/Christmas tree lot across the street in Bixby. Target is just about as good as the area could have hoped for, the lot very easily could have ended up as  multi-story multi-family housing over looking their back yards or yet another car lot.

[Red Arrow]

A few years ago the Target corner was going to be somewhat like Utica Square.  I don't know if I prefer Target over another car lot or not, at least a new car dealer.  The Target will be generating a lot more traffic than a car lot would. I don't know about the sales tax difference either but if any of you have had any auto work done a dealer lately you might think it would be close. Then there is the "Tax Tag and Title" of buying a car.  I can't say I would want any high density housing either since the ONLY way to get somewhere from there is by car.  Might as well plan on an 8 lane Memorial now so it will only be 20 years late when it gets put in.

As some of you have said, it is difficult to have much sympathy for someone buying a lot as described.

All you folks from downtown and mid-town that complain about street improvements in the south remember where your sales tax money is generated.

[OurTulsa]

A few years ago the Target corner was going to be somewhat like Utica Square.  I don't know if I prefer Target over another car lot or not, at least a new car dealer.  The Target will be generating a lot more traffic than a car lot would. I don't know about the sales tax difference either but if any of you have had any auto work done a dealer lately you might think it would be close. Then there is the "Tax Tag and Title" of buying a car.  I can't say I would want any high density housing either since the ONLY way to get somewhere from there is by car.  Might as well plan on an 8 lane Memorial now so it will only be 20 years late when it gets put in.

As some of you have said, it is difficult to have much sympathy for someone buying a lot as described.

All you folks from downtown and mid-town that complain about street improvements in the south remember where your sales tax money is generated.

Whoa.  Considering that I use very little in terms of public infrastructure with my little footprint I'm pretty confident that 'my' sales tax money is generated right around me.  I don't commute all over this City.  I don't really need five lane arterials extended out across our metro nor do I need water and sewer lines extending out across greenfields to serve some isolated residential subdivision.

[sgrizzle]

Whoa.  Considering that I use very little in terms of public infrastructure with my little footprint I'm pretty confident that 'my' sales tax money is generated right around me.  I don't commute all over this City.  I don't really need five lane arterials extended out across our metro nor do I need water and sewer lines extending out across greenfields to serve some isolated residential subdivision.

Yes, and there is 6 ft of sidewalk paved by your efforts. Your neighbors driving to Owasso to shop because "71st is icky" provide the potholes around it.

[Red Arrow]

... to serve some isolated residential subdivision.

You live in the past even more than I do. It's obvious you stay in your own little part of town.  Ever get out of Tulsa?  Out of Oklahoma?  It's similar to "ever get out of the small town USA of your choice? 30 years ago S.E. Tulsa may have been the boonies but not any more.  FYI, some of the newer developments are more dense than some of mid-town.  Check it out yourself on Google maps. What's missing, of course, are the mom and pop shops like existed along Cherry street and the original (real) trolley lines.  The strip centers of the 1960s - 90s are the attempted replacements.

[inteller]

WTH were they expecting was going to get built on that lot, anyhow?

South Town Square, the huge sign that advertised a MUCH MUCH less intense development than what is there now.  Many people made their decision to move there based on this long standing advertisement.  

Typical developer bait and switch, all facilitated by this rubber stamping board, who now clamor together to oust one person who is asking the tough (but legitimate) questions to developers.

Another bait and switch was perpetrated at Sonoma grande, but Highland Park is suing their asses, not for what got built, but how it was built and the problems it has caused after the fact....

...again, facilitated by this circus act of a commission.


and now the gang of 3 county commissioners are going to keep postponing this decision until the support behind wright subsides and everyone is busy with typical activities around the holidays.  For instance, I can't make next weeks meeting after taking time off for this one.  They know they can win this war of attrition, hell it is what the TMAPC does any time there is strong neighborhood resistance....just keep putting it off until the neighbors can't keep coming.

[Conan71]

South Town Square, the huge sign that advertised a MUCH MUCH less intense development than what is there now.  Many people made their decision to move there based on this long standing advertisement.  

Did you bother to get that written into your contract?  You should know the vagaries of development and that just because one thing is promised, doesn't mean it will work out that way if they haven't even pushed dirt yet. 

I'd be totally empathetic with if, say, they came in an bulldozed a housing development and built a major commercial complex.

You chose to buy or build in a high traffic, rapidly-developing area, with even more traffic and development coming on a weekly or monthly basis.  You can't possibly believe this couldn't have been a possibility to happen, especially with the population, demographics, and daily car count.

[sgrizzle]

South Town Square, the huge sign that advertised a MUCH MUCH less intense development than what is there now.  Many people made their decision to move there based on this long standing advertisement.  

People also buy beer because it attracts bikini models to their backyard soiree's too. Just think of how many people went out to get herpes for the free Jeep and Kayak?

[Conan71]

People also buy beer because it attracts bikini models to their backyard soiree's too. Just think of how many people went out to get herpes for the free Jeep and Kayak?

Post of the week!!! Your creativity leaves me speechless at times.

[inteller]

and the group think smartass comments lower the intelligence of this thread.  this thread is a perfect example of worthy cause ruined by the majority of the so called banner carriers of tulsanow.

[Hoss]

and the group think smartass comments lower the intelligence of this thread.  this thread is a perfect example of worthy cause ruined by the majority of the so called banner carriers of tulsanow.

hooo boy....

[Conan71]

and the group think smartass comments lower the intelligence of this thread.  this thread is a perfect example of worthy cause ruined by the majority of the so called banner carriers of tulsanow.

so says the TN all-time king of smart donkey comments.

[inteller]

keep proving my point....i see more of your peanut gallery has decided to come in and ruin the thread.