Need employees to fill $100,000 dollar jobs

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We went canoeing on a sod farm down in Bixby during the aftermath of the '86, quite memorable to say the least.

I believe the Keystone lake was designed to hold 1 ½ inches of rainfall over its entire watershed basin.  Having been at the weather bureau at the time the 1986 storm was approaching as seen on their radar. It was some 20 miles west of Tulsa moving to the North West up the Arkansas drainage basin.  The weather bureau warned the corps to open the gates but there was a delay until the flood waters threaten to have breached the Keystone dam.  Then the gates were opened and the downstream areas of the meandering Arkansas river flooded.  The flood of 1986 is not on the table today of SWM.  Instead we are going to place low water dams on the river that will  restrict its flow in case of a reoccurrence of such a storm.

As the man from the Dallas office of FEMA said "even a farmer knows better than to build in the creek bed"
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[Conan71]

I believe the Keystone lake was designed to hold 1 ½ inches of rainfall over its entire watershed basin.  Having been at the weather bureau at the time the 1986 storm was approaching as seen on their radar. It was some 20 miles west of Tulsa moving to the North West up the Arkansas drainage basin.  The weather bureau warned the corps to open the gates but there was a delay until the flood waters threaten to have breached the Keystone dam.  Then the gates were opened and the downstream areas of the meandering Arkansas river flooded.  The flood of 1986 is not on the table today of SWM.  Instead we are going to place low water dams on the river that will  restrict its flow in case of a reoccurrence of such a storm.

As the man from the Dallas office of FEMA said "even a farmer knows better than to build in the creek bed"
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I'm skeptical of that claim.  The Corps doesn't take orders on opening dams from the NWS, the NWS does not have the data, nor expertise on floodwater management expecially on Corps projects to the best of my knowledge.  All they can do is warn of imminent flood dangers from storms.

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As the man from the Dallas office of FEMA said "even a farmer knows better than to build in the creek bed"

What a demeaning attitude toward farmers.  Too bad "city folk" aren't so smart.  Ever wonder why nothing is built there?

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I'm skeptical of that claim.  The Corps doesn't take orders on opening dams from the NWS, the NWS does not have the data, nor expertise on floodwater management expecially on Corps projects to the best of my knowledge.  All they can do is warn of imminent flood dangers from storms.

Seems the dams on the Grand River were built for flood control.  All three maintain a flood storage capacity.  Flood storage pool on Gibson seems to be 18 feet. 

Seems the weather bureau only advised the corps of the tropical storm that was making it way NW up the Arkansas basin and the amount of flood waters to expect.  I believe the corps were  advised, not ordered. they should prepare by increasing the flow as the flood pool would be filling fast.

Once the gates were opened the flood happened in the Bixby bottoms where the river overtime had moved leaving a potential flood plain on which the building were built.

Today's TW indicates that the new mayor has read some of the surveys Tulsa spent thousands of dollars for that pointed out Tulsa has an overburden of high price managers which would indicated the lack of underpaid labor.   

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Keystone was built for flood control also.

[Conan71]

Seems the dams on the Grand River were built for flood control.  All three maintain a flood storage capacity.  Flood storage pool on Gibson seems to be 18 feet. 

Seems the weather bureau only advised the corps of the tropical storm that was making it way NW up the Arkansas basin and the amount of flood waters to expect.  I believe the corps were  advised, not ordered. they should prepare by increasing the flow as the flood pool would be filling fast.

Once the gates were opened the flood happened in the Bixby bottoms where the river overtime had moved leaving a potential flood plain on which the building were built.

Today's TW indicates that the new mayor has read some of the surveys Tulsa spent thousands of dollars for that pointed out Tulsa has an overburden of high price managers which would indicated the lack of underpaid labor.   

I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence realizes many of our area lakes were built for flood control.  I was simply taking you to task for the assertion that the USACE delayed in implimenting an order from the NWS to open flood gates.  Yes, the NWS can and does issue flood warnings as is their purpose.  The USACE manages flood waters amongst other things.

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You lost me.  Seems the rain gages of the USACE were not sending the information on the stalled tropical storm and NWS warned the USACE that they were not getting the proper information as a warning that they should lower the flood pool and prepare for more flood water than their gages showed.  They did not order the gates opened.  It was a duplication of the Fort Gibson flood also when the USACE failed to open the gates until it was to late.

The only reason congress approved the building of the lakes was for flood control and therefore approved the money to build them.

[Nik]

So, the IT department for Tulsa has about 230 employees with a combined salary of $12M. With a staff that big, 4 with a salary of over $100,000 is not that much. My question is, does  Tulsa need an IT staff that big? I am an IT professional so I understand the importance of IT. But when my company went through layoffs, IT was the hardest hit. Of course, my whole company isn't much bigger than Tulsa's IT department.

A quick look through the staff, the IT department has 9 admin employees, 3 DBAs plus a DBA Mgr & DB Architect, at least 75 telecommunications employees. A lot of the titles are abbreviated so its a bit difficult to make them all out. The average salary for everyone in the IT deparment is about $51,600. Nevertheless, 230 seems like a lot to me. I'm sure if I knew what all they did, I might reconsider. But, unfortunately, we have to get back to fundamentals and must-haves. I tried to find out how many people the state has in their IT department, but I couldn't find anything.

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My question is, does  Tulsa need an IT staff that big?

Having done an internship with City of Tulsa a few years back, I can give you what limited knowledge I have. I interned with Parks & Rec, which had exactly one guy handling the entire department's IT. That's a bit understaffed as is. Where would you cut from that department?

Are the 75 telecommunications employees are part of the 911 call center?