Need employees to fill $100,000 dollar jobs

[sgrizzle]

I think the point is that people who make over $100k shouldn't get any scheduled breaks.... and if they don't like it, the city should do internal hiring and save money by getting 4th graders to work in the IT dept.... I hear they'll work for Snickers Bars and an X-Box....

I've done worse for less.

{shiver}

[shadows]

RM: I have corrected my mistake in the post you question.  The actual cost to the retirees and working poor is much more when you add city paid health insurance and others  perks.   True, many of us draw on Medicare and we think the city furnished health insurance should equal only that offered by Medicare.

Before the now intelligent president is done with health insurance it may be.

[shadows]

In  private industry when I worked there and the labor department recognized coffee break in their codes, Charlie Flint's companies blew a horn to begin the break and fifteen minutes later blew the  horn showing it was over and the only thing they wanted to see was elbows and a$$ of the workers making 40 cents an hour.  The last trips to city hall when looking for a person it was quite often said "they are taking their coffee break.  On Friday afternoon it was "they are in a meeting this afternoon".  The change will come as the town becomes a ghost town when the population cannot support the golden calf any longer and moves out.     

[Gaspar]

Official Response:

We here at The City of Tulsa think we know that it is better to target magnetically than to actualize seamlessly. We apply the proverb "He who laughs last, laughs best" not only to our development but our ability to expedite. What does it really mean to iterate "intuitively"? A city that can engage elegantly will (at some point in the future) be able to unleash courageously. We will embrace the ability of web-enabled R&D to harness. Do you have a scheme to become distributed? We think we know that if you deploy nano-dynamically then you may also benchmark iteravely. What does it really mean to cultivate "efficiently"? We believe we know that it is better to synthesize perfectly than to morph efficiently. Think intra-dot-com. What does the commonly-accepted term "value-added, best-of-breed, efficient" really mean? It may seem stunning, but it's realistic! Think world-class. Think innovative. Think leading-edge. But don't think all three at the same time. It may seem disorienting, but it's realistic! At Tulsa, we believe we know how to iterate intra-holistically. We apply the proverb "When the cat's away, the mice will play" not only to our data hygiene but our aptitude to drive. If you expedite holistically, you may have to upgrade dynamically. We always brand co-branded iteration. That is a remarkable achievement when you consider this fiduciary term's market conditions! We will scale the capacity of technologies to integrate. We invariably reintermediate synergistic world-class accounting.

[Townsend]

Official Response:

We here at The City of Tulsa think we know that it is better to target magnetically than to actualize seamlessly. We apply the proverb "He who laughs last, laughs best" not only to our development but our ability to expedite. What does it really mean to iterate "intuitively"? A city that can engage elegantly will (at some point in the future) be able to unleash courageously. We will embrace the ability of web-enabled R&D to harness. Do you have a scheme to become distributed? We think we know that if you deploy nano-dynamically then you may also benchmark iteravely. What does it really mean to cultivate "efficiently"? We believe we know that it is better to synthesize perfectly than to morph efficiently. Think intra-dot-com. What does the commonly-accepted term "value-added, best-of-breed, efficient" really mean? It may seem stunning, but it's realistic! Think world-class. Think innovative. Think leading-edge. But don't think all three at the same time. It may seem disorienting, but it's realistic! At Tulsa, we believe we know how to iterate intra-holistically. We apply the proverb "When the cat's away, the mice will play" not only to our data hygiene but our aptitude to drive. If you expedite holistically, you may have to upgrade dynamically. We always brand co-branded iteration. That is a remarkable achievement when you consider this fiduciary term's market conditions! We will scale the capacity of technologies to integrate. We invariably reintermediate synergistic world-class accounting.

From Whom?

[RecycleMichael]

As we embrace teachings of ancient cultures we unfold a new and unforeseen land of opportunities on the hill that stretch the imagination of ways to service our core principles while remaining true to the paradigm shift necessary for future ensured profits in each of ways we preserve and conserve those among us with the right combination of training, hard work and faithfulness to the team that we know as family.

[Red Arrow]

Official Response:

We here at The City of Tulsa think we know that it is better to target magnetically than to actualize seamlessly. We apply the proverb "He who laughs last, laughs best" not only to our development but our ability to expedite. What does it really mean to iterate "intuitively"? A city that can engage elegantly will (at some point in the future) be able to unleash courageously. We will embrace the ability of web-enabled R&D to harness. Do you have a scheme to become distributed? We think we know that if you deploy nano-dynamically then you may also benchmark iteravely. What does it really mean to cultivate "efficiently"? We believe we know that it is better to synthesize perfectly than to morph efficiently. Think intra-dot-com. What does the commonly-accepted term "value-added, best-of-breed, efficient" really mean? It may seem stunning, but it's realistic! Think world-class. Think innovative. Think leading-edge. But don't think all three at the same time. It may seem disorienting, but it's realistic! At Tulsa, we believe we know how to iterate intra-holistically. We apply the proverb "When the cat's away, the mice will play" not only to our data hygiene but our aptitude to drive. If you expedite holistically, you may have to upgrade dynamically. We always brand co-branded iteration. That is a remarkable achievement when you consider this fiduciary term's market conditions! We will scale the capacity of technologies to integrate. We invariably reintermediate synergistic world-class accounting.

Well, the words are English.  Beyond that it sounds like gobblety-gook to me.  No wonder some immigrants don't want to learn English.  I may give German another try or maybe even Spanish.

[Conan71]

That's funny Gaspar, I thought Shadows was retired.  He's returning emails for the City of Tulsa now?

[Hometown]

It's all relative Shadows.  I was just talking to a friend about her cousin in California that makes over $80,000 a year giving shots.  She has no special training other than giving shots.  My guess is that a comparable job in Tulsa pays $32,000.  That probably sounds like a lot to you Shadows but is actually 1981 money when viewed within the context of National Standards.  And that is not to say that living on a shoe string in Tulsa is not an important issue.  It is important.  It is tragic.  And it's beyond me why the low income folks of Tulsa aren't rioting now.  From your perspective it looks like city employees are living high on the hog.  From another perspective government jobs are somewhere just above poverty level.  We have City and County employees subsisting on food stamps in this town.  And there doesn't seem to be any will anywhere to address these inequities.

[Conan71]

It's all relative Shadows.  I was just talking to a friend about her cousin in California that makes over $80,000 a year giving shots.  She has no special training other than giving shots.  My guess is that a comparable job in Tulsa pays $32,000.  That probably sounds like a lot to you Shadows but is actually 1981 money when viewed within the context of National Standards.  And that is not to say that living on a shoe string in Tulsa is not an important issue.  It is important.  It is tragic.  And it's beyond me why the low income folks of Tulsa aren't rioting now.  From your perspective it looks like city employees are living high on the hog.  From another perspective government jobs are somewhere just above poverty level.  We have City and County employees subsisting on food stamps in this town.  And there doesn't seem to be any will anywhere to address these inequities.

I read something the other day that said the average Federal job is paying between $70 & $80K a year plus benefits. 

[waterboy]

It doesn't take much to find out. Go to USA jobs.com. The jobs, their classifications and pay scales are listed. The professional ones are around that level but its not comparable with the corporate world. Many of the jobs are temporary however, subject to government funding. Their job descriptions sound like Gaspar's rambling which also reminds me a lot of the Proctor & Gamble releases my wife used to get from corporate. Elegant, but silly.

HT, the job you describe isn't even close to $32,000 here in Tulsey. A phlebotomist may garner around $22k at a lab but even less at a clinic or private hospital. They still have to punch a clock and don't get to eat the free food the drug reps drop off!

The lowest paid of all are the county employees. Ironic that the county seems to be having no problem with budgets. Its on the backs of their employees who are often on public assistance.

[shadows]

Republic democracies have never in all recorded history been successful.  It is based on formations of little kingdoms where each kingdom demands from the working poor unlimited income of which they set their own salaries and perks.  It is not based on what money is available but is projected into the possible future income that is needed to be raised to support each little kingdom.  There becomes a point where the balances of what the working poor can pay for the necessary services and what the kingdoms demand.  Tulsa is reaching that point.  It is time to reevaluate those kingdoms and start living within the income available.  If one kingdom say they have 13 openings that need to be filled then if we are operating without them filled are they needed or is it the case of empty desks for managers that all the high price surveys come back with "you have too many already?"

It is time to lower the sails as there are turbulent waters ahead.  The new mayor seems to see them as he is batten down the loose things on the deck.

[waterboy]

Shadows, do you know who the largest employers are in this state? In this city? I would wager that public employees make up a substantial part of the workforce. It helps balance out small variances in the economy but when something big comes along, like this one, the workforce gets pared down and it happens across the board.

What you wish for (smaller government, more efficient government) is happening right now. That increases unemployment. People out of work either steal, cheat, reduce consumption or simply move away (erego less tax dollars for public services). You may not care much for government streamlining when cops and firemen are not responding to your particular emergency because they have reduced manpower to match revenues.

[shadows]

Waterboy;
I perceive your solution is that all persons should be on the public payroll and then there would be no unemployment.  Unemployment did in the great depression breed the criminal element with Floyd and Dillinger as leaders of many others.  Of course there were those who profited during the time within the political sector. At the time most of the working poor were placed on public works such as the CCC and WPA and etc,.

In the cities greed among the little kingdoms which have driven the public employees to living standards that are not acceptable to them, thus it has created a semi-criminal element in a faltering society.   One-half of the world is in rebellion today as the little kingdoms gather forces against the producers of the revenue, in order to sustain their way of life.

In Tulsa the largest employer is AA but what part of those employees live in Tulsa seem to be a secret.  Of course if one included conditions of the agreement and subsides granted them by the little kingdom, it would be very easy to include the working poor among the contributors to both public workers and AA.  In today's world, location of industry is on the auction block on which little kingdom will contribute the most.

It took a world war to bring us out of the last depression.  Can we avoid another world war as the electronic revolution is displacing the work force, creating another depression?  We lash with furry the horses of the four horsemen in an effort to overrun the world.  Come see!

 

 

[waterboy]

Waterboy;
I perceive your solution is that all persons should be on the public payroll and then there would be no unemployment.  Unemployment did in the great depression breed the criminal element with Floyd and Dillinger as leaders of many others.  Of course there were those who profited during the time within the political sector. At the time most of the working poor were placed on public works such as the CCC and WPA and etc,.

In the cities greed among the little kingdoms which have driven the public employees to living standards that are not acceptable to them, thus it has created a semi-criminal element in a faltering society.   One-half of the world is in rebellion today as the little kingdoms gather forces against the producers of the revenue, in order to sustain their way of life.

In Tulsa the largest employer is AA but what part of those employees live in Tulsa seem to be a secret.  Of course if one included conditions of the agreement and subsides granted them by the little kingdom, it would be very easy to include the working poor among the contributors to both public workers and AA.  In today's world, location of industry is on the auction block on which little kingdom will contribute the most.

It took a world war to bring us out of the last depression.  Can we avoid another world war as the electronic revolution is displacing the work force, creating another depression?  We lash with furry the horses of the four horsemen in an effort to overrun the world.  Come see!

 

 

I haven't the patience to sort out your post but a couple things are clear. Your perception of my solutions are in error. I don't see increased public employment as the solution to our economic crisis. However, I have never heard anyone in the last 50years portray our public employment picture in a positive light. Its always considered inneficient, bloated, overpaid and pretty much a drag on the economy. Most people fail to realize that government often takes on the assignments that private enterprise is unwilling or unable to do. Or those functions that have been abused by private capital.

Secondly, I assert that government employment in this state (fed,state,county,city) far surpasses AA or any other private employer. That isn't unusual for any organization for administrative staff to far outnumber line staff. It took hundreds of non combat military personnel to support each combat soldier in WWII didn't it? I assume you were there!