Vision 2025...Part 2?

[Hoss]

New kid means new kid smells.  There are none.  It's the solid food era that frightens me.

Per the KWGS story, this may be why the Mayor is in Japan.  He's said to be meeting with Mitsubishi about their aviation work here in Tulsa.

Maybe while over there he can ask if they can design a fire-proof cell phone?

[guido911]

New kid means new kid smells.  There are none.  It's the solid food era that frightens me.

[Weatherdemon]

Lot's of V2 money dependant on other money arriving or allocated for 'when the time comes.'
While I like some of the ideas, this remains way too vague.

Shelve it. Take a year, make a plan, present it again.

[Conan71]

Interesting wrinkle:

Tulsa World is reporting that AA is closing the Alliance base in Ft. Worth by mid-December.

[swake]

So I read this PDF:
http://yestovision2.com/Vision2_TIA_Industrial_Complex_Requirments_and_QA_8-9-12.pdf

And read around some news articles and looking at American's site, American is basically replacing it's fleet, or rather American plans to replace it's fleet of 600 planes.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fleet-renewal.jsp

They are purchasing/leasing/acquiring 460 new nextgen Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 planes. That work is being done here now, but reading between the lines there are some needed equipment upgrades as the plane counts increase for the new planes. American is also buying some new 777s and 787s and from what I can tell those planes will not fit in our current hangers.

American wants us to pay for them to rework the base so that it can do the work on all these new planes or they are going to outsource the work. But they are in bankruptcy and can't guarantee anything and if there is a merger the new people running the show may scrap the whole plan.

[Townsend]

So I read this PDF:
http://yestovision2.com/Vision2_TIA_Industrial_Complex_Requirments_and_QA_8-9-12.pdf

And read around some news articles and looking at American's site, American is basically replacing it's fleet, or rather American plans to replace it's fleet of 600 planes.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fleet-renewal.jsp

They are purchasing/leasing/acquiring 460 new nextgen Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 planes. That work is being done here now, but reading between the lines there are some needed equipment upgrades as the plane counts increase for the new planes. American is also buying some new 777s and 787s and from what I can tell those planes will not fit in our current hangers.

American wants us to pay for them to rework the base so that it can do the work on all these new planes or they are going to outsource the work. But they are in bankruptcy and can't guarantee anything and if there is a merger the new people running the show may scrap the whole plan.

So...

Hey, this is crazy
We may stay here
If you build us stuff
We'll call you maybe

My one opportunity to use that song. 

I'll leave you now with my rendition of Rocky mountain high.

[nathanm]

FWIW, it's not really "plans," they have financing in place. Supposedly Airbus is almost giving them the 319s and 321s in exchange for being a 320neo launch customer and Boeing supposedly arranged some very low pricing and excellent financing in exchange for being a launch customer for the 737NG. They've got enough cash on hand that barring another spike in fuel costs or other major operational difficulties, they should make it to the new deliveries, which will bring down costs significantly.

[TheArtist]

I am so-so on the zoo and the three medical buildings, but I like the other stuff.

The parks and brownfields money is desperately needed, the parking garage on Riverside is very smart, you gotta like the money for neighborhoods, downtown, and the trails and I really want to build the low water dams and the Gilcrease expressway.

But you guys are probably going to disagree with me.

I truly hope you were being facetious lol.

[swake]

So I read this PDF:
http://yestovision2.com/Vision2_TIA_Industrial_Complex_Requirments_and_QA_8-9-12.pdf

And read around some news articles and looking at American's site, American is basically replacing it's fleet, or rather American plans to replace it's fleet of 600 planes.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fleet-renewal.jsp

They are purchasing/leasing/acquiring 460 new nextgen Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 planes. That work is being done here now, but reading between the lines there are some needed equipment upgrades as the plane counts increase for the new planes. American is also buying some new 777s and 787s and from what I can tell those planes will not fit in our current hangers.

American wants us to pay for them to rework the base so that it can do the work on all these new planes or they are going to outsource the work. But they are in bankruptcy and can't guarantee anything and if there is a merger the new people running the show may scrap the whole plan.

I think I may have to hold my nose and vote yes on prop one.

Two is a pile of stinking poo. There is time to redo it correctly with more specifics and more money to increase the growth downtown and less for the fairgrounds and highways without cars,

[Gaspar]

So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2.  Some were not happy about that.  So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative.

Welcome.  We look forward to your insights. 

[Red Arrow]

members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative.

I think "they" will learn something about this forum.  "They" may not find us as easy to persuade as "they"  hope.

[RecycleMichael]

So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2.  Some were not happy about that.  So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative.

I am tired of carrying this alone. I assume I was going to win you all over eventually, but having help is nice.

[Teatownclown]

I am tired of carrying this alone. I assume I was going to win you all over eventually, but having help is nice.

Oh great....let me suggest East Holland for a moniker. Losers.

[TheArtist]

So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2.  Some were not happy about that.  So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative.

Welcome.  We look forward to your insights.  

Don't need any PR per say, but would be nice to have some insight as to the rational for a lot of the items on prop 2 and some more details on prop 1.   I am still flummoxed about the need for a, park and ride, parking garage on Riverside for instance.  

Was that something brought up in one of the town hall meetings?  If not, where did it come from?  If it, and some other items, were the result of the meetings, it then appears to me that "meetings" alone are not enough.  Sounds like we could also use some back and forth discussions to help iron out priorities and how things fit into a larger, longer term set of outcomes and visions for the city.  I could offer a great idea in a meeting, but then another person may have another very different idea to, say, solve a problem or make things better, that might work even better.  But you need some discussion and give and take to determine those things.  Crowds throwing out various ideas and then someone else picking from them based on their own preconceptions and prejudices seems a limitation destined to leave a lot of things open to error.   

[Townsend]

So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2.  Some were not happy about that.  So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative.

Welcome.  We look forward to your insights. 

Last member joined on the 8th.  I guess we can watch for others.

Welcome to all.  I'm interested to hear other's views.