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[Crash Daily]

Dems responses on here are nothing but a big shell game. You want to blame Bush and the war for out of control spending and defend Obama and your worthless congress who are on track to blow the Bush years right out of the water. Ever heard of economies collapsing, due to hyperinflation? You can't shift this over to the war. What's next? You gonna throw your race card at me?

You can't buy your way out of a recession either. That stimulus was nothing but a big political payoff for Obama supporters, during the election. He's throwing money at jobs that underpay and are not permanent. So, no spending on the private sector, just socializing large portions of it and plans to over tax that which he can't take over. Low paying, short term jobs and pay offs to political supporters. MASSIVE incurring debts, locking our children in to servitude for at least several generations, the world bank trying to take away our AAA rating and countries wanting to move off of the dollar as a world currency. This crap isn't happening because of Bush and our recovery is hampered due to the overspending that is creating fears of hyperinflation and a new round of major taxe increases that MUST occur, due to this spending spree. We'd be on the other side of this double dipper if Obama and the other idiot Dims and their idiot supporters hadn't put us into this untenable situation. Please, get out of our free country, before it's to late and move to some socialist/commie nation, where you belong. I like the Constitution you are destroying and want our nation back from you nut cases.

[nathanm]

The world would certainly be a lot better place if Saddam were still in charge.

You can fill in the ways:

1.

No one argues that Saddam was a good person. However, there was no particular reason to depose him at that time. No more than there has been any time in the last quarter century, anyway.

A better time would have been in 1991, when Iraq had invaded another country. That military action made sense, and carrying it through to total defeat of Iraq would have made sense at the time also. Over a decade on, not so much.

Invading Iraq at the time we did sets the bar so low that we could justify invading most of Africa and Central Asia using that standard. Take Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan as examples of countries run just as ruthlessly as Iraq under Hussein, if not worse.

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No one argues that Saddam was a good person. However, there was no particular reason to depose him at that time. No more than there has been any time in the last quarter century, anyway.

A better time would have been in 1991, when Iraq had invaded another country. That military action made sense, and carrying it through to total defeat of Iraq would have made sense at the time also. Over a decade on, not so much.

Invading Iraq at the time we did sets the bar so low that we could justify invading most of Africa and Central Asia using that standard. Take Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan as examples of countries run just as ruthlessly as Iraq under Hussein, if not worse.

The US and former USSR have agreed to inspection of at least some military sites.  Satellite surveillance was used to verify that we chopped up a lot of military airplanes.  Saddam could still be alive, killing his countrymen, torturing prisoners, committing ecological disasters, etc if he would have just agreed to inspections.  Even George II would have had a difficult time justifying an invasion if Saddam had cooperated.

[nathanm]

if he would have just agreed to inspections.  Even George II would have had a difficult time justifying an invasion if Saddam had cooperated.

There was a last minute offer to allow inspections again, but by then I guess Bush or whoever was too committed, since the offer was rejected (by the US) out of hand.

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There was a last minute offer to allow inspections again, but by then I guess Bush or whoever was too committed, since the offer was rejected (by the US) out of hand.

I remember several offers to allow inspection, followed by "just kidding, keep out".

[nathanm]

I remember several offers to allow inspection, followed by "just kidding, keep out".

On September 12, amid increasing speculation that the United States is preparing to invade Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein, President Bush delivers a speech to the United Nations calling on the organization to enforce its resolutions for disarming Iraq. Bush strongly implies that if the United Nations does not act, the United States will—a message that US officials make more explicit the following week.

Four days later, Baghdad announces that it will allow arms inspectors to return "without conditions." Iraqi and UN officials meet September 17 to discuss the logistical arrangements for the return of inspectors and announce that final arrangements will be made at a meeting scheduled for the end of the month. The United States contends that there is nothing to talk about and warns that the Iraqis are simply stalling. The Bush administration continues to press the Security Council to approve a new UN resolution calling for Iraq to give weapons inspectors unfettered access and authorizing the use of force if Iraq does not comply.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02

Just for what it's worth.

[USRufnex]

Dems responses on here are nothing but a big shell game. You want to blame Bush and the war for out of control spending and defend Obama and your worthless congress who are on track to blow the Bush years right out of the water. Ever heard of economies collapsing, due to hyperinflation? You can't shift this over to the war. What's next? You gonna throw your race card at me?

You can't buy your way out of a recession either. That stimulus was nothing but a big political payoff for Obama supporters, during the election. He's throwing money at jobs that underpay and are not permanent. So, no spending on the private sector, just socializing large portions of it and plans to over tax that which he can't take over. Low paying, short term jobs and pay offs to political supporters. MASSIVE incurring debts, locking our children in to servitude for at least several generations, the world bank trying to take away our AAA rating and countries wanting to move off of the dollar as a world currency. This crap isn't happening because of Bush and our recovery is hampered due to the overspending that is creating fears of hyperinflation and a new round of major taxe increases that MUST occur, due to this spending spree. We'd be on the other side of this double dipper if Obama and the other idiot Dims and their idiot supporters hadn't put us into this untenable situation. Please, get out of our free country, before it's to late and move to some socialist/commie nation, where you belong. I like the Constitution you are destroying and want our nation back from you nut cases.

No. YOU leave.  Your party had the last eight years in the office of the presidency and six of the last eight years in control of congress.  We had an election.  Your party lost this time.  Quit crying in your beer, or your meth, or whatever is floating your boat this evening.....

No.  YOU leave.  You can't tax cut your way out of a recession.  And you can't pay for a war with tax cuts, either.  Since you're either too young or too stupid to remember, Reagan took deficit spending to untold new heights compared to Jimmy Carter.... and Bush took us from the balanced budgets/surpluses of the Clinton administration to non-defense discretionary spending increasing twice as fast as under George HW Bush, three times as fast as Clinton, and four times as fast as Carter.  

No.  YOU leave.  And don't let the door hit you on your dittohead arse....
You hate democracy, you only approve of one-party rightwing psuedo-conservative rule, you spout all sorts of craziness in your childish obsessions with demonizing liberals and democrats, and you pretend to be some sort of expert on the Constitution.  You are no expert, and likely have never read the Constitution.  But our democratically elected president has not only read the entire constitution, he taught constitutional law as a professor and senior lecturer at one of the nation's top law schools, a school you could never gain admission to because you're too obsessed with rightist jingoism and conservative talking points.

No.  YOU leave.  You sound exactly as shrill as liberals sounded in 1981-83...... you have no clue what "socialist/commie" means, and I was around for the last recession that was as bad as this one.  Just as many democrats have given their lives for this country as republicans... and I can guarantee you more dems have given their lives for this country than traitorous koolaid drinking dittohead chicken hawks like you and Dick Cheney.  Oh, and one more thing.  The North won the civil war, the south lost.  Stop acting like the opposite was true and that it's the solid republican south that have some sort of corner on the patriotism market.  I will forever have more respect for the TRUE PATRIOTISM of northern liberals and yankee republican moderates than I will ever have for the John Birch Society, Newsbusters, World Nut Daily, Michelle Maulkin and Ann Coulter....

Hmmm, let me help you...... crazy liberals from the early 80s....

Repubs responses are nothing but a big shell game. You want to blame Carter for the hostage crisis and for out of control spending and defend Reagan and his worthless supply-siders who are on track to blow the Carter years right out of the water. Ever heard of economies collapsing, due to unchecked debt and unemployment? You can't shift this over to the Vietnam war. What's next? You gonna throw your Jane Fonda card at me?

You can't tax cut your way out of a recession either. Those tax cuts were nothing but a big political payoff for Reagan supporters, during the election. He's throwing money at the rich to magically produce jobs that underpay and are not permanent. So, no spending on the public sector, just privatizing large portions of it and plans to over tax for social security solvency since he can't completely dismantle it. Low paying, short term jobs to transform our economy from manufacturing-based to service-based.... and payoffs to backdoor soft-money political supporters.  MASSIVE incurring debts, locking our children in to servitude for at least several generations, all the while freezing the minimum wage. This crap isn't happening because of Carter and our recovery is hampered due to the maniacal tax cuts that will create fears of perpetual unemployment and a new round of tax increases that MUST occur, due to tax cuts for the rich and a politically motivated dept of defense spending spree for $426 claw hammers, $7,000 coffee makers, and $640 toilet seats. We'd be on the other side of this double dipper if Reagan and the other idiot Repugs and their idiot supporters hadn't put us into this untenable situation. Please, get out of our free country, before it's to late and move to some pro-fascist nation ruled by oligarchs, where you belong. I like the Constitution you are destroying and want our nation back from you nut cases.

So leave, haters of democracy.
I'm staying.
Have another drink.  

[guido911]

and I can guarantee you more dems have given their lives for this country than traitorous koolaid drinking dittohead chicken hawks like you and Dick Cheney.

Remind me, what branch of the military did you serve again? Most assuredly a non-military serving, sex trophy citizen who owes his and his family's safety and security to those that had served would never be so audacious as to call anyone a chicken hawk.

[USRufnex]

Remind me who you think YOU are?
Per usual, you despicable partisan Republicans think you and your families are the only ones who ever served their country..... let me state this again......

"I will forever have more respect for the TRUE PATRIOTISM of northern liberals and yankee republican moderates than I will ever have for the John Birch Society, Newsbusters, World Nut Daily, Michelle Maulkin and Ann Coulter...."

Sorry I didn't get my butt shot off in 'nam like my stepdad..... go to he11, you pencil pushing psuedo-patriot.

[guido911]

Remind me who you think YOU are? 
Sorry I didn't get my butt shot off in 'nam like my stepdad..... go to he11, pencil pushing psuedo-patriot.

Still gravy-training off the blood of others I see. Nothing new here. And how dare you call anyone a chicken hawk you coward. Just go back to your hole and wait for your next government handout.

[USRufnex]

Still gravy-training off the blood of others I see. Nothing new here. And how dare you call anyone a chicken hawk you coward. Just go back to your hole and wait for your next government handout.

How dare YOU have more respect for someone with FIVE FRIGGIN DEFERMENTS than the families of REAL VETS who didn't tow the republican party line.....

I worked for what I got.... my family fought for this country over successive generations..... you have no clue.
Typical partisan republican HACK.

"I will forever have more respect for the TRUE PATRIOTISM of northern liberals and yankee republican moderates than I will ever have for the John Birch Society, Newsbusters, World Nut Daily, Michelle Maulkin and Ann Coulter.... and cretins like Greeeedo....."

Isn't it time for you to "polish up the handle on the big front door"......



The Chickenhawk Hall of Shame
http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=17

name:
Neal Boortz
rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
April 6, 1945
home state:
Georgia
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:
None - Absolutely None
preferred activity:
Irritating all within earshot
occupation:
Radio Blabbermouth

Boortz used to claim he had a 4-F draft deferment. Frank Kaner, a disabled former Marine, didn't buy that. And he didn't appreciate Boortz's disdain for John Kerry's service, either. So he looked into the records and unearthed the truth, which we published in 2005. Boortz was in ROTC for a while, which bought him a 1-D deferment — but he then dropped out, and neglected to tell Texas A&M. He then picked up a 3-A for his procreational prowess, before it was too late.

[guido911]

How dare YOU have more respect for someone with FIVE FRIGGIN DEFERMENTS than the families of REAL VETS who didn't tow the republican party line.....

I worked for what I got.... my family fought for this country over successive generations..... you have no clue.
Typical partisan republican HACK.

"I will forever have more respect for the TRUE PATRIOTISM of northern liberals and yankee republican moderates than I will ever have for the John Birch Society, Newsbusters, World Nut Daily, Michelle Maulkin and Ann Coulter.... and cretins like Greeeedo....."

Isn't it time for you to "polish up the handle on the big front door"......



The Chickenhawk Hall of Shame
http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=17

name:
Neal Boortz
rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
April 6, 1945
home state:
Georgia
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:
None - Absolutely None
preferred activity:
Irritating all within earshot
occupation:
Radio Blabbermouth

Boortz used to claim he had a 4-F draft deferment. Frank Kaner, a disabled former Marine, didn't buy that. And he didn't appreciate Boortz's disdain for John Kerry's service, either. So he looked into the records and unearthed the truth, which we published in 2005. Boortz was in ROTC for a while, which bought him a 1-D deferment — but he then dropped out, and neglected to tell Texas A&M. He then picked up a 3-A for his procreational prowess, before it was too late.

My God, you are STILL gravy training/mooching off of others to make some meaningless point. I mean, it's "don't look at me and my lack of military service, look over here at others who never served". That's absolute chickensh!t, especially when you call someone else a chicken hawk!

On the subject of five deferments, I am reminded of another vice president that had that many...Joe "I suddenly have asthma after five college deferments" Biden. But we will not talk about him even though he voted to authorize the Iraq war.

[Conan71]

On the subject of five deferments, I am reminded of another vice president that had that many...Joe "I suddenly have asthma after five college deferments" Biden. But we will not talk about him even though he voted to authorize the Iraq war.

That's different.  Just like Lord Monckton with his journalism degree and Al Gore with his, uh, well, ahem, career in journalism before becoming a professional politician.

[USRufnex]

Greeeeed.  No, I didn't enlist.  I registered for the draft and seriously considered ROTC when in high school.
I got full scholarships from wealthy people to study music.

And, YES.  I can call Dick Cheney a chicken hawk.
It's a free country.

Al Gore served in the military..... so did John Kerry.... how 'bout you Conan?

..... I'm sorry y'all think 90% of scientific consensus on global warming is wrong.... you think there might be some sort of petroleum industry bias in your perspective?

I understand the arguments that the pro-global warming crowd resorts to overstating the facts, and being political about scientific evidence....

But, unlike Lord Crazypants, I don't recall Al Gore calling any of his opponents "Nazi Youth."

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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/images/chart.gif

Chart of Federal Income during the 80s adjusted to constant 1996 dollars.  Remember the double digit inflation of the Carter years?