Rush Limbaugh HEARTS status quo healthcare

[guido911]

Geez...you are using Texas as an example???

Just for general principle, the state that executes the most innocent people per capita of any state, should be excluded for consideration of legal topics.

That post is exactly the reason why I do not take you seriously.

[Breadburner]

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yeah, I know.  Reality hurts, don't it?

And torture is good.

[FOTD]

Burner, that joke is played already....you are so retarded slow.

[Conan71]

Burner, that joke is played already....you are so retarded slow.

I think this POTUS Obama guy has a far better chance for a career in politics than stand-up comedy.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Ok, this thread started out with Limbaugh in the topic.  Here is a specific, question about him.  And a follow up question about general principles.

Given the Limbaugh history of discussions about drug law infractions, and the fact that he doctor shopped and bought in the neighborhood of 2,000 pills from 4 different doctors, cut a deal with Florida that if he went to drug treatment his record would be clean after 18 months and then was caught with another man's prescription before the 18 months time was up and still got off.  (I smell a Florida trend here - or maybe it is just the dead manatees?)  And any other jurisdiction in the country would have considered 2,000 pills as "intent to distribute").

First, what do you think would be the appropriate punishment for any other person (without the connections, money, and political pull?)

Second, since this type of comment/discussion is considered schtick, are we to assume that the whole idea of illegal drug distribution is one that you won't take seriously?  (Or just Limbaugh's illegal drug activity??)

[Conan71]

Ok, this thread started out with Limbaugh in the topic.  Here is a specific, question about him.  And a follow up question about general principles.

Given the Limbaugh history of discussions about drug law infractions, and the fact that he doctor shopped and bought in the neighborhood of 2,000 pills from 4 different doctors, cut a deal with Florida that if he went to drug treatment his record would be clean after 18 months and then was caught with another man's prescription before the 18 months time was up and still got off.  (I smell a Florida trend here - or maybe it is just the dead manatees?)  And any other jurisdiction in the country would have considered 2,000 pills as "intent to distribute").

First, what do you think would be the appropriate punishment for any other person (without the connections, money, and political pull?)

Second, since this type of comment/discussion is considered schtick, are we to assume that the whole idea of illegal drug distribution is one that you won't take seriously?  (Or just Limbaugh's illegal drug activity??)

Problem seems to be no one here likes asparagus.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Or direct answers.

Direct answers don't fit well with glittering generalities, sound bites, and canned playbooks.  They require an individual's thought.

[Conan71]

Or direct answers.

Direct answers don't fit well with glittering generalities, sound bites, and canned playbooks.  They require an individual's thought.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Well at least it is a direct answer .... at long last.
Petroglyphs are so last millenium.  Now, if we can just get to words.

[Red Arrow]

Aren't you bilingual?

[Conan71]

Petroglyphs? I thought they became extinct during the last ice age.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Don't know for sure... you used them...what does that say about cave man tech?

While completely skirting the Limbaugh question. 

I will tell you my answer, so you can have something else to disimulate about.

Oxycontin is a true abomination in the Biblical sense of the word.  It has become an extremely dangerous recreational drug.  (400+ people per year die, as compared to near 4,000 using heroin as a reference.)  People who sell the stuff outside of the legal channels are vile and deserve serious prison time, if not life without parole.  If someone OD's on the stuff they sell, it should become a capital offense for the seller.

And marijuana should be legalized.

Those can be platform planks when I run for office.

And I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA, and unlike George H.W. Bush, I will NEVER resign my membership!!

Another platform plank.

[Conan71]

Don't know for sure... you used them...what does that say about cave man tech?

While completely skirting the Limbaugh question. 

I will tell you my answer, so you can have something else to disimulate about.

Oxycontin is a true abomination in the Biblical sense of the word.  It has become an extremely dangerous recreational drug.  (400+ people per year die, as compared to near 4,000 using heroin as a reference.)  People who sell the stuff outside of the legal channels are vile and deserve serious prison time, if not life without parole.  If someone OD's on the stuff they sell, it should become a capital offense for the seller.

And marijuana should be legalized.

Those can be platform planks when I run for office.

And I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA, and unlike George H.W. Bush, I will NEVER resign my membership!!

Another platform plank.

You want an answer about Limpbaugh's drug abuse?

I could care less.  There's your answer.  I don't pay attention to Rush and occasionally hear him when I tune to KRMG in my truck near the hour or half hour to get the news.

I'll indulge you a little: I don't think he was treated any different than any other drug abusers with his prior record (or lack thereof) and I don't believe he was treated any different than any other celebs are in similar circumstances.  You only seem to care because his political ideologies are obviously different than yours.  The so-called "bust" for carrying Viagra in someone else's name? Not uncommon for celebs who are concerned about having their personal life broadcast as tabloid fodder.

I take your ranting about Limpbaugh's drug abuse as filler in absence of any substantive discussion on health care reform.

[heironymouspasparagus]

The healthcare bill that is being looked at now is catastrophic and non-workable.  It is the classic example of sellout to corporate America (insurance companies and drug companies) while doing nothing for the people - the actual citizens of this country.  By both sides.  There are just as many Democrats on Charlie Rangle's committee holding out for their corporate contributors as Republican - actually more.  Pathetic, ain't it?

And yet, the system we have is seriously broken.  If you have insurance, then you and I are paying close to 40% of our costs for other people.  If you don't have insurance, then I and my insurance company are stuck paying for you, too.  That's for every doctor visit, hospital stay, band-aid, aspirin, Nexium or Oxycontin.

Some of the things that should be addressed are pushed around in public from time to time - need them all;

Full participation/coverage.

No exclusion for pre-existing conditions (that means no cherry picking by the insurance companies)

Get a grip on the insurance companies excesses.  Free enterprise is not synonymous with Robber Baron.

Cost control?? How?  Most of the rest of the world does it, though, so why can't we?  Study Belgium, Denmark, Japan, and Switzerland to start.  Ok, France, too, since you insist!

Single payer, no.
Government option - perhaps.

And here is a little idealistic license coming through;  how about if the RWRE quit lying about how bad health care/insurance is in other countries with universal coverage?  Even the British Conservative felt moved to censure (last year) the guy who was the main mouth piece for US RWRE, about telling the lies about how bad it is in UK.  (Yes, I have several close family friends who live in UK and Scotland and experience it every day - no problems.  Same with Canada.  They are just as fat and unhealthy as we are, but they have insurance.)

One last thing - two other idealistic little tidbits; it should be law that a). Congress must have the same insurance coverage as the least among us.  (And they cannot have a better pension plan than the least among us.)

And b). No CEO in any company can have a better insurance plan selection than the lowest paid employee of said company.  (Lest there be any misunderstanding, no, not all companies must have the same plan selections, it just must be the same selections for everyone in the given company.)


Sad you don't care about Limbaugh's crimes.  Watergate bother you?  How about Chappaquiddick?  Or George II lies?  Or Billy-Bob Clinton's?