Is Coakley the blue Palin?

[Gaspar]

Congress still doesn't get it.

Oh. . They get it!  They just refuse to admit that they get it.  It's about power now and the horrible stinkin rotten albatross hanging from their necks.  

If they abandon the plan they will lose all credibility, and certainly lose the house and presidency in the next election.  If they find a way to facilitate the takeover of 6-10% of the economy or some portion thereof, they get the power that comes with the purse-strings.  It's nearly impossible to repeal a social program once it is enacted, and that power may allow them to recover after the initial fallout and economic crash.

Either way they will lose the house.  They have abandoned the economy on this issue, and people know it.  

If they play "pass-the-trash", be ready for every D candidate until the end of time to use the threat that "Republicans want to take away your children's medical care."  A new silver bullet in a rusting entitlement gun.  

Entitlement has been the foundation of the liberal Democrat for a while now, but I'm willing to bet that we start to see a resurgence of the conservative democrat coming back to Washington, and many independants will find a home in the party.  It will be the natural way for the party to survive the swing of the pendulum and should fix alot of the contrarian mentality on both sides.

[guido911]

Did anyone else see Tweedy vs Dean the Scream on Hardball? Two lib tools tearing each other a new one over the Mass Sen. outcome. Decision: Matthews.

[Conan71]

Did anyone else see Tweedy vs Dean the Scream Scam on Hardball Hairball? Two lib tools tearing each other a new one over the Mass Sen. outcome. Decision: Matthews.

FIFY.

Matthews is probably still upset about getting pwn3d in the Iowa caucus after insisting Howard Dean would steal the show and finished 3rd instead.

[Red Arrow]

I don't want Medicaid or Medicare and I should not be forced onto such a system simply because there are people in this country who don't have what I have in the way of health insurance.  Why bust me down for something which is no fault of my own? 

What makes you think you deserve any more than anyone else?  (That's a smart a** remark, not a question.) Everyone is entitled to a certain minimum level of heath care. To think that you deserve more because you have been financially fortunate is absurd.  We need to destroy things like MRI machines since they are too expensive for the economically disadvantaged and soon for the government.  If I can't have it, you can't have it so we'll throw the machine off the cliff. (James Bond movie reference but I can't remember the name of the code machine.)  Surely you can remember "Lowest Common Denominator" from grade school math/fractions.

OK, I'm back to normal (for me) now.

[guido911]

What makes you think you deserve any more than anyone else?  (That's a smart a** remark, not a question.) Everyone is entitled to a certain minimum level of heath care. To think that you deserve more because you have been financially fortunate is absurd.  We need to destroy things like MRI machines since they are too expensive for the economically disadvantaged and soon for the government.  If I can't have it, you can't have it so we'll throw the machine off the cliff. (James Bond movie reference but I can't remember the name of the code machine.)  Surely you can remember "Lowest Common Denominator" from grade school math/fractions.

OK, I'm back to normal (for me) now.

You are just a hater (channeling my inner aox/fotd)

[Conan71]

What makes you think you deserve any more than anyone else?  (That's a smart a** remark, not a question.) Everyone is entitled to a certain minimum level of heath care. To think that you deserve more because you have been financially fortunate is absurd.  We need to destroy things like MRI machines since they are too expensive for the economically disadvantaged and soon for the government.  If I can't have it, you can't have it so we'll throw the machine off the cliff. (James Bond movie reference but I can't remember the name of the code machine.)  Surely you can remember "Lowest Common Denominator" from grade school math/fractions.

OK, I'm back to normal (for me) now.

I know a good facial reconstruction guy who can fix that huge bulge in your cheek from having your tongue planted so firmly in it. Only problem is he won't be taking any common denominator health plans

Oh and great catch. I've earned nothing I have Through hard work or effort. I'm just financially blessed like you and that hateful Guido guy.   

[azbadpuppy]

Coakley was a flawed candidate, but once the implications of what this race meant to the Senate health care bill (otherwise referred to as the "pile") the tide turned seriously in Brown's favor.  I notice this site is unusually quiet this morning in regards to the liberals who usually lurk and post here.  There was a spirited debate on one member's Facebook page last night essentially denying this was any sort of referendum and that it all fell on Coakley being a terrible candidate.  This is what liberal and conservative pundits (I've watched most of the election coverage on MSNBC, approximately 90% of it if I had to guess, including watching Scarborough this morning) are referring to as a "circular firing squad" regarding liberal Dims not taking seriously the underlying reasons for Brown surging late in the race.

I seriously hope that most liberals are too arrogant to understand this went much deeper than Coakley being a poor choice to replace Senator Kennedy (she was a poor choice, don't get me wrong).  The electorate will show them the door in November if they are unwilling to take a more moderate approach to healthcare and get more concerned about more pressing issues like unemployment, soaring deficits, wasteful spending, and bilking the American voter and taxpayer much quicker than a Bernie Madoff wet dream.

Some telling stats were passed around post election.  President Obama's approval rating is dropping.  People are upset after a year and there still no substantive results toward economic problems, health care, and other issues promised in the 2008 campaigns at all levels.  People are becoming upset that the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress are still blaming the Bush administration for this economic quagmire.  It's their problem now, they own it and what they are doing and have done isn't producing results as quickly as the voting public would like.  It doesn't matter that it's only been a year since the Obama administration began.  For someone who has been unemployed for even six months, that seems like an eternity.  Sure, expecting to return to 5% or less unemployment in a year's time is unrealistic.  But that doesn't matter to people losing their home and with still no hope of finding a job.

Incumbents are losing credibility with voters and I suspect we will see a turn-over at mid-term much like there was in 1982 and 1994.  President Obama still remains popular, but approval of his policies is slipping.  I suspect at this point he can still be re-elected in '12, but he will have to send a more moderate message to do it.  His charm and charisma as well as his oratorial skills will have worn thin by that time.

I believe his team has mistakenly believed that he was elected primarily for his approach to policy.  I've held all along that he was elected for his charisma, oratoral skills, and somewhat due to his race, and a much lesser extent his liberal policies.  The Obama administration needs to wake up and see this as somewhat of a referendum by voters that:  Healthcare is not our #1 priority, people are starting to realize things like transparency in legislation never materialized, lobbyists and special interests still have the seats at the table that they have occupied all along, voters don't want a large invasive government, voters don't want massive deficits brought by needless spending and vote-buying, Gitmo is still no closer to being closed as promised and more troops are on their way to Afghanistan.  The ridiculous way that accounting for jobs saved or created by the "stimulus" was done and has now been discarded to pretty much remove any possible way to quantify this number has severely dented his administration's credibility. 

President Obama does not shoulder this burden alone.  I think every single incumbent up for re-election this year is vulnerable.  Don't be surprised if some more incumbents decide to "retire" rather than face a humiliating defeat.  I think Specter and Reid amongst others are in deep trouble right now.

The reason for the lack of response is many people believe posting differing views from those select few who seem to dominate the political boards is a waste of time, with the inevitable outcome of useless back and forths and name-callings.

But I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'll bite.

I have very mixed feelings on this outcome. It is obvious that Coakley ran a terrible campaign, and didn't even bother showing up until it was too late. She is the definition of smug. However, I believe she was still the better choice based on her stance on the overall issues, not just one.

Brown ran under the guise of being an 'independent' of which he clearly is not. His voting record speaks for itself. He is very conservative, has voted with the Mass Republicans over 90% of the time, and stands for ideals and values that seem contrary to the majority of the constituents in his home state. 

This then begs to ask the question: Why did he win? The reason, in my opinion, is an incredibly simple, yet selfish one. The Massachusetts people already have a public health care system. Brown ran on the fear and intimidation platform regarding the national healthcare reform, citing it would disrupt their state system and cost more than what they already have. So those people came out and voted to protect their public healthcare, not caring at all what might happen to the rest of us.

Thousands of people voting on a single issue, and ignoring the fact that Brown is a homophobic, misogynistic, torture supporting, anti abortion, teabagger. (You can argue this all you want- Brown's past history and voting record speaks for itself).

Hmmmm.....seems very in keeping with what one would expect in Massachusetts. Not.

But the biggest blame for this debacle should be placed not on the Mass voters but on the national and state Democratic parties for their failure to organize, failure to effectively educate all of us on their healthcare plan, and above all, failure to fight back. All the democrats seem to do is to retreat and defend. Pathetic.

[Conan71]

The reason for the lack of response is many people believe posting differing views from those select few who seem to dominate the political boards is a waste of time, with the inevitable outcome of useless back and forths and name-callings.

But I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'll bite.

I have very mixed feelings on this outcome. It is obvious that Coakley ran a terrible campaign, and didn't even bother showing up until it was too late. She is the definition of smug. However, I believe she was still the better choice based on her stance on the overall issues, not just one.

Brown ran under the guise of being an 'independent' of which he clearly is not. His voting record speaks for itself. He is very conservative, has voted with the Mass Republicans over 90% of the time, and stands for ideals and values that seem contrary to the majority of the constituents in his home state. 

This then begs to ask the question: Why did he win? The reason, in my opinion, is an incredibly simple, yet selfish one. The Massachusetts people already have a public health care system. Brown ran on the fear and intimidation platform regarding the national healthcare reform, citing it would disrupt their state system and cost more than what they already have. So those people came out and voted to protect their public healthcare, not caring at all what might happen to the rest of us.

Thousands of people voting on a single issue, and ignoring the fact that Brown is a homophobic, misogynistic, torture supporting, anti abortion, teabagger. (You can argue this all you want- Brown's past history and voting record speaks for itself).

Hmmmm.....seems very in keeping with what one would expect in Massachusetts. Not.

But the biggest blame for this debacle should be placed not on the Mass voters but on the national and state Democratic parties for their failure to organize, failure to effectively educate all of us on their healthcare plan, and above all, failure to fight back. All the democrats seem to do is to retreat and defend. Pathetic.

When the most liberal of you libs learn to quit using the disgusting term "teabagger" I will start to take your comments more serious than a speck of lint. 

[azbadpuppy]

Is Coakley the new Palin?

Latest forecasted trends for this fall:  Brown is the new Palin.

[azbadpuppy]

When the most liberal of you libs learn to quit using the disgusting term "teabagger" I will start to take your comments more serious than a speck of lint.  

Wow that's all you got? I agree it's disgusting, but most likely not in they way you assume.

[guido911]

Brown is a homophobe and a teabagger? Huh? Someone has been channeling her inner Olberdouche.

And how exactly is Brown a misogynist? Because last I heard Brown never left a woman to drown to save his fat political @ss like his predecessor Ted Kennedy did. Another in a long line of FAIL puppy.

[guido911]

I just heard Nancy Pelosi announce that she does not have the votes to pass the Senate version of health care reform. Now what do we do?

[Conan71]

Brown is a homophobe and a teabagger? Huh? Someone has been channeling her inner Olberdouche.

And how exactly is Brown a misogynist? Because last I heard Brown never left a woman to drown to save his fat political @ss like his predecessor Ted Kennedy did. Another in a long line of FAIL puppy.

Or that nice young man from North Carolina who was knocking boots (apparently without a Jimmy hat) with a campaign aide during the '08 POTUS campaign while his wife was suffering from breast cancer.

[azbadpuppy]

Brown is a homophobe and a teabagger? Huh? Someone has been channeling her inner Olberdouche.

And how exactly is Brown a misogynist? Because last I heard Brown never left a woman to drown to save his fat political @ss like his predecessor Ted Kennedy did. Another in a long line of FAIL puppy.

Like I said, his past history and voting record speaks for itself. If you don't agree, prove it wrong.

The latest, and certainly not the only, misogynist acts by Brown and supporters:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/coakley-curling-iron-rape-comment-video-scott-brown-rally-2558869.html


And...there's plenty of video on the internet capturing Brown 'pimping' out his daughters on national TV, however I chose a messenger you could undoubtedly relate to and appreciate:

http://animalnewyork.com/2010/01/even-glenn-beck-is-totally-creeped-out-by-scott-browns-daughter-pimping/


Kennedy left Mary Jo to drown? Were you there? Sounds like YOU are channeling every right wing blow-hard who has hated Kennedy from day one. Let the Kennedy thing go. I know its hard, but you can do it. Really.

[Conan71]

Wow that's all you got? I agree it's disgusting, but most likely not in they way you assume.

Teabagger? Mysoginist? That's not resorting to name calling rather than making an actual point?

I know exactly why it's disgusting and I'm amazed that a homosexual isn't appaled by it.  This would be entirely unacceptible in the common (common= vulgar) vernacular if it had been a Republican who had coined it.  Prior to liberals jumping all over the term, it was a derogatory term used by homophobes to describe gay men.