State of The Union

[guido911]

And while I really don't like Obama at all, there is a certain amount of credit that must acrue to the last year.  Hmmm... imagine what he "hasn't" done since he has been in office.  At least according to Cheney/Rove/Limbaugh/Hannity...

We stopped the blatant breaking of our law (which, by definition IS also international treaty law) by stopping torture and rendition.

Gitmo is being emptied and the people who deserve it are going to be tried and quite likely convicted.  And hopefully executed.  

We have actually had a major tax cut for the vast majority of American's who earn a paycheck.  (Sorry you didn't get one if you make over $250,000 per year.  But you got your huge tax break 8 years ago...)  You would think talk radio would be happy about any tax cut, but I guess since it was the lower 95% of income, it just isn't good enough.

Actually got Pakistan into this thing in a very real way instead of just lip service.  (Oh, there's that pesky lip service thing again.)  

Our massive recession has actually been brought to a stop even if it is slow to recover.  The previous 1 1/2 year was continuous free fall.

We are finally back to paying attention to the right war.  (We will see if it is handled any better, but so far just this year there has been more done in Afghanistan than in all the previous 6 years combined to head that way.)  This is the biggest good thing to happen in a LONG time.  Maybe they can find Bin Laden now that his family protector is no longer in office.

Our troops in Afghanistan are finally getting the support they deserve and have been asking for.  The average was around 30,000 for 6 years while Bush fiddled on - despite repeated requests for more help.  Now, since the inauguration of 2009, that has increased to almost 100,000 now and another 30,000 or so on the way.

And all this that "hasn't" happened while the nattering nabobs of negativity continue their lies, distortions and spew their bile and specifically say they hope America fails.

How do the right wing radio-ites reconcile their faith in a philosophy led by a draft-dodging drug addict who cannot even go through his 18 month probation without breaking more Federal drug laws??  (Limbaugh - was caught with another man's prescription for Viagra before his 18 month probation was over.)  Oh, wait... he is a Federal drug felon - shouldn't he really have gotten some jail time for distribution of Oxycontin??  1,000 pills in possesion would definitely be with intent to distribute if he was anyone else.  Well, at least according to his long term rants about the subject.  (Do what I say, not what I do...)  Well, he IS rich, so I guess that makes it all ok.

See what was missed while worrying about liars yapping about birth certificates?

Oh where to begin with that mish mash of lies and distortions:

Torture:  Not sure what you mean by "torture", unless of course you are referring to playing loud music or waterboarding. If so, we are talking about an enhanced interrogation program that succeeded in obtaining key information about terrorist activities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002818.html

In any case, not caring too much if KSM and the two others were made uncomfortable, especially if you have any memory of this:


If you mean abu ghraib prisoner abuse, those directly responsible were disciplined.

Rendition: Sorry bub, last I heard Obama is continuing this practice:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html

By the way, I notice you didn't point out Obama's lie on military tribunals, those are continuing too. Indefinite detention? Yep, that's also continuing:

http://washingtonindependent.com/74524/why-not-just-keep-gtmo-open

Civilian trials of some of those at Gitmo:  I know the Obama administration wants to do this, however just today John Boehner says "no way". Congress will stop them (they hold the purse strings).

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Wednesday the Obama administration doesn't have the votes to change the law to move detainees to U.S. territory for trial or to spend $500 million to refurbish the Thompson prison in Illinois to host the detainees who would be held there while awaiting trial in New York City.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/27/boehner-way-terrorist-trials-held-new-york/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529

The recession stopped:  Tell that to the 10% unemployed (2% more that Obama promised if that BS stimulus bill passed--you know, that lie), and didn't I just see housing sales "unexpectedly" fell last month?

Paying attention to the right war:  We are only fighting one war, Afghanistan, and it took Obama three months to follow the advice of his field commanders on the ground and increase the troop levels. The "other" war, Iraq, has been won. I guess you will credit Obama for that as well.

Tax relief for those 95%:  As I recall, Obama promised not to raise the taxes not one dime for those making less that $250,000. Remember this blast from the past?

How was s-chip funded? And what about the health care mandate that was part of the health care and the higher utility costs of the "cap and trade" flops?

Not sure what that rant on talk show radio folks has to do with Obama. And Rush being a draft dodger, I guess you do not know that our "higher IQ" gaffe machine of a vice president was also a draft dodger.  As for Biden, let's walk down memory lane:

[Gaspar]

Heir,
I really don't want to do this, but what the heck.


We stopped the blatant breaking of our law (which, by definition IS also international treaty law) by stopping torture and rendition.

We used sleep deprivation and perceived panic tactics to save thousands of lives.  Now we are granting Miranda rights to Terrorists now.  We have stopped our war on terror and turned it into a lawyer-fest.  Heck! We are no longer going to use the T word.  The trial lawyer's union got their way.

Gitmo is being emptied and the people who deserve it are going to be tried and quite likely convicted.  And hopefully executed. 

No. They are being released, or transferred to domestic prisons where they will enjoy civilian legal defense and long drawn out court appeals. The trial lawyer's union got thier way.

We have actually had a major tax cut for the vast majority of American's who earn a paycheck.  (Sorry you didn't get one if you make over $250,000 per year.  But you got your huge tax break 8 years ago...)  You would think talk radio would be happy about any tax cut, but I guess since it was the lower 95% of income, it just isn't good enough.

No.  Not a tax cut, a check.  Not major, extremely minor.  Those who paid no taxes also received this payoff.

Actually got Pakistan into this thing in a very real way instead of just lip service.  (Oh, there's that pesky lip service thing again.) 

Apparently you are not watching the news.

Our massive recession has actually been brought to a stop even if it is slow to recover.  The previous 1 1/2 year was continuous free fall.

Still in recession.  Just not falling as fast.  Unemployment still growing.  Deficit spending at an all time high.  CBO warning the President that it is unsustainable.  NOTHING has been done that has any positive effect on job numbers.

We are finally back to paying attention to the right war.  (We will see if it is handled any better, but so far just this year there has been more done in Afghanistan than in all the previous 6 years combined to head that way.)  This is the biggest good thing to happen in a LONG time.  Maybe they can find Bin Laden now that his family protector is no longer in office.

Our troops in Afghanistan are finally getting the support they deserve and have been asking for.  The average was around 30,000 for 6 years while Bush fiddled on - despite repeated requests for more help.  Now, since the inauguration of 2009, that has increased to almost 100,000 now and another 30,000 or so on the way.

What planet are you on?  Our generals begged for 30,000 extra troops for months.  Hundreds died waiting for reinforcements while the President evaluated how a troop surge would affect his popularity numbers.  Finally when he could resist no longer he sent a slightly reduced number and took credit for the idea.

And all this that "hasn't" happened while the nattering nabobs of negativity continue their lies, distortions and spew their bile and specifically say they hope America fails.

Who hopes America fails?  I don't get this at all.

How do the right wing radio-ites reconcile their faith in a philosophy led by a draft-dodging drug addict who cannot even go through his 18 month probation without breaking more Federal drug laws??  (Limbaugh - was caught with another man's prescription for Viagra before his 18 month probation was over.)  Oh, wait... he is a Federal drug felon - shouldn't he really have gotten some jail time for distribution of Oxycontin??  1,000 pills in possesion would definitely be with intent to distribute if he was anyone else.  Well, at least according to his long term rants about the subject.  (Do what I say, not what I do...)  Well, he IS rich, so I guess that makes it all ok.

What does some radio talking head have to do with anything?  Why are the libs hung up on this Limbaugh guy.  He's leading no one!

See what was missed while worrying about liars yapping about birth certificates?

I don't give a crap about anyone's birth certificate.  We are falling victim to bad politics in a time when we need to be free to innovate and produce.  Morons are running around pushing government programs, government takeovers, and government growth in a time when banks are terrified to loan money because they feel they are at risk, and business fear growth because they see looming tax burdens.

You have been successful in covering every non-important issue in a fabulously uninformed way.  Even FOTD has the ability at times to provide a decent sprinkling of misaligned fact to make his name calling and gyrations entertaining.

[Gaspar]

And if anyone looks honestly at their own track record; can you say you have done proportionally better in your first year of any new job??

This is not flipping burgers.  CEO's don't get a pass their first year because they're new.  I feel sorry for the guy.  He's never run a business, cut a paycheck, or even developed a business plan or budget, and he's been thrown into running the largest economy in the world.

This is not something that you get a pass at.  I thought I would never say this about anyone, but President Obama makes Carter look good.

[we vs us]

Enjoy: State of the Union drinking game....

" Choose any three.

Every time Obama:

says "Let me be clear": 1 drink

says "make no mistake": 1 drink

says "this will not be easy": 1 drink

suggests there's a consensus among experts about a proposal when there isn't: 1 drink

claims to be aligned with the populist backlash he created: 1 drink

suggests that History with a capital H demands that we do whatever it is he's talking about: 1 drink

says that he's being "pragmatic" or "bipartisan" when he's actually being wildly ideological or partisan: 1 drink

every time he says something that will obviously cost you money: 1 drink (this one could cause alcohol poisoning)

when something will cost you money and make the economy worse at the same time: 1 drink (safer version of above).



The good news is that if you do this, you won't remember watching the speech when you wake up tomorrow.
If we all had bongs, the devil would suggest substituting substance.....

How much do I drink if a Republican yells "Liar!" A lot?  A little?  Do I just chug whatever's in front of me and turn off the TV?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Whew!  What a Cheney/Rove/Hannity diatribe!

Yes, sleep deprivation, panic tactics (I presume you mean waterboarding), and all the miscellaneous things that ARE illegal in the US.  And in military courts.  And in Geneva Convention law.  All of which make up the "Supreme Law" of the land.  Unfortunately, so few have actually read the US Consitution that they don't understand that small detail.

As we have found as some truth has come out about Gitmo, of the 800+ detained for so long, there were in the neighborhood of a couple hundred who were "legitimate" detainees.  Some are ideal candidates for trial, much as the one's responsible for the first WTC bombing, and were tried.  And are in prison today.  From Clinton era.  Maybe there will be some kept; we shall see.  But we DO know the track record of 8 years of Bush II.

The tax cut was a $300 billion cut for everyone who gets a paycheck and makes under $250,000.  Happened about last March.  If you didn't see it, check with someone you know who makes less than that.  It happened.  And continues through today.

I watch ALL the news - not just Fox.  Rupert Murdoch doesn't want you to know that Pakistan has actually taken back a good portion of the Swat valley area!

Even Fox realizes and admits that we have been out of recession since middle of last year.  Have you seen any news since then?  AIG and all the other big banks are raking in record profits and paying out HUGE bonuses again.  Times are booming!!  Oh, wait...that doesn't help the rest of us.  Yeah, it is going to be a long time before we get back to where we were before.  But, the temporary personnel people are BOOMING right now, so employment IS getting better, even if companies are only hiring temps.

This is Earth.  You do realize that when Obama took office, the troop count was just under 30,000 in Afghanistan?  And between then until the latest decision to add 30,000, the count did go up until it was right at 100,000.  Now it will be more.  So, Obama is actually doing what his Secretary of Defense wants him to do.  Huh...go figure.  It only took Rumsfeld a few years until the military got the troops....oh, wait, that's right, they NEVER did get the troop levels they wanted and needed.  And the ones that kept asking kept getting fired.  You do remember that, don't you??  And why not?

Hello??  Revisionist history theory would love it if all Fox news listeners had that kind of memory.  Limbaugh has said over and over and over and over how he would like to see us fail.

Government takeovers and growth like the previous 28 years?  Banks aren't terrified to make loans, they are sitting on it to wait for interest rates to go up.  And you and I are paying them to do this, thanks to Bush II and his bank bailout program/policies.  They don't fear anything, because they have 'bought-and-paid' for Congress and will be protected.  

Why would anyone fear growth because they might be taxed on that growth??  Do you listen to what you write?  I cannot imagine any better financial scenario than for my tax bill to double every year for the rest of my life!!  Small words, easily understood;  because it means I am making much, much more every year!

As an aside, do you actually think that taxes won't or shouldn't go up?  This year the Bush II temporary cuts are due to expire.  I am sure Fox news will try to blame Obama for that, too, but this is exactly what Bush and his Congress said was the correct thing to do.  (Of course they were wrong - Reagan and Bush I proved that to us.)

Do you really think that $12 trillion in debt brought to you by Reagan/Bush/Bush isn't the big problem?  How would another trillion or two amount to more than a hill of beans after the damage has already been done?

As far as running a business, well neither had G. W. Bush.  Still hasn't.

Are you holding back on your business plans just because you are afraid of some nebulous tax thing?  Let me reassure you, this is a great economy.  Go ahead and plan!  Be ready for the time when things do come back.  You will enjoy a kind of "slingshot" affect when it happens.  And with the pent up demand at all levels for just about every consumer good people have put off buying, I suspect it will be coming back sooner than we think.  I am putting every spare available minute of my evenings into planning/building/developing products to be ready and in place when it happens.  Don't let the chicken littles on Fox hold you back!

Name calling??  What name calling??  Do you mean the Limbaugh thing?  That's not name calling that is just the adjectives that rightfully and deservedly belong in front of his name.  Now, if you want to hear some REAL name calling, just tune into 740AM and listen to the Fox gang.

[we vs us]

It's like what we believe in doesn't matter to you guys.  All that Declaration of Independence stuff, all that stuff in the Constitution. We have laws outlawing torture, including stress positions, including waterboarding.  We have laws and treaties guaranteeing equal protection, fair and speedy trials, innocence until guilt is proven, etc etc.  These aren't just rights attributed to Americans, they're attributed to all humans everywhere.  We have signed treaties to this effect and they have been binding for 50 years.  

This is what we believe in, and this is what makes us Americans.  It's black and white.  Why you want to throw away what makes us who we are is beyond me.  It's dumbfounding.  

Edit:  hiero got there first.

[Conan71]

"Lip service"? Must. Resist. Urge.

Conan, a little help here?

***COUGH***COUGH*** "Blowjob!"

[Conan71]

Mainly because he hasn't been able to do anything to hurt us yet.

Other than that huge deficit thingy.  But who's counting?

[Conan71]

Heironymous, welcome aboard from the Olbermann show.  Your passion is admirable, but the way you play loose and fast with the facts er um DNC talking points, is simply hillarious.

[Red Arrow]

Enjoy: State of the Union drinking game....

" Choose any three.

Every time Obama:

says "Let me be clear": 1 drink

says "make no mistake": 1 drink

says "this will not be easy": 1 drink

suggests there's a consensus among experts about a proposal when there isn't: 1 drink

claims to be aligned with the populist backlash he created: 1 drink

suggests that History with a capital H demands that we do whatever it is he's talking about: 1 drink

says that he's being "pragmatic" or "bipartisan" when he's actually being wildly ideological or partisan: 1 drink

every time he says something that will obviously cost you money: 1 drink (this one could cause alcohol poisoning)

when something will cost you money and make the economy worse at the same time: 1 drink (safer version of above).



The good news is that if you do this, you won't remember watching the speech when you wake up tomorrow.
If we all had bongs, the devil would suggest substituting substance.....

I don't keep that much booze in the house (or nearby).

[Conan71]

I don't keep that much booze in the house (or nearby).

I'm well-prepared.

[guido911]

It's like what we believe in doesn't matter to you guys.  All that Declaration of Independence stuff, all that stuff in the Constitution. We have laws outlawing torture, including stress positions, including waterboarding.  We have laws and treaties guaranteeing equal protection, fair and speedy trials, innocence until guilt is proven, etc etc.  These aren't just rights attributed to Americans, they're attributed to all humans everywhere.  We have signed treaties to this effect and they have been binding for 50 years.  

This is what we believe in, and this is what makes us Americans.  It's black and white.  Why you want to throw away what makes us who we are is beyond me.  It's dumbfounding.  

Edit:  hiero got there first.

Going down that self-righteous, Utopian view of this country again. During times of war, and that is what happened after we were attacked on 9/11 (remember that event?), we simply have to treat the enemy like, wait for it, the enemy. And this is no run-of-the-mill enemy, these f$cking monsters fly planes into building, cut the heads of news reporters and other infidels, strap bombs to women and children, and most recently shoot up Army bases and are willing to firebomb their own genitals to kill us. And here you are preaching good ol' American values and extending constitutional rights to them.

Sorry, can't get to where you want to be. If folks like poor ol' KSM are made to feel a little uncomfortable for a few minutes so as can prevent another plane flying into a building killing perhaps members of your family, I got no problem. You apparently find more important the protecting of their rights (still trying to find that treaty we have with al Qaeda or a treaty that they are signatories to) rather than taking steps to keep Americans alive so they can enjoy their rights. Now that's dumbfounding.

[guido911]

Heironymous, welcome aboard from the Olbermann show.  Your passion is admirable, but the way you play loose and fast with the facts er um DNC talking points, is simply hillarious.

Two of my favorite "facts" from the last post:

"As far as running a business, well neither had G. W. Bush.  Still hasn't."  (Those oil exploration businesses and Texas Rangers ownership aside.)

"Now, if you want to hear some REAL name calling, just tune into 740AM and listen to the Fox gang." (Who knew that about Joe Kelley. Also, I thought Fox was on KFAQ?)

[Conan71]

Two of my favorite "facts" from the last post:

"As far as running a business, well neither had G. W. Bush.  Still hasn't."  (Those oil exploration businesses and Texas Rangers ownership aside.)

"Now, if you want to hear some REAL name calling, just tune into 740AM and listen to the Fox gang." (Who knew that about Joe Kelley. Also, I thought Fox was on KFAQ?)

"WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR!!??!!"

"Germans??"

"Forget it, he's rolling."



I sure have Belushi on the mind today.

[Red Arrow]

I'm well-prepared.

No seals on two of them.  Are they useless empty?