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Started by Conan71, February 02, 2010, 03:08:44 PM

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joiei

Quote from: guido911 on February 04, 2010, 05:38:33 PM
Here you go:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/palin-camp-rips-limbaugh-hits-his-retard-comment-as-crude-and-demeaning/

that was her spokesperson speaking not her highness.  And at $100,000 a pop for her speeches, she is working on a paycheck of about $1,700,000.  Damn she is good leading the lemmings. 
It's hard being a Diamond in a rhinestone world.

guido911

Quote from: joiei on February 04, 2010, 07:44:43 PM
that was her spokesperson speaking not her highness.  And at $100,000 a pop for her speeches, she is working on a paycheck of about $1,700,000.  Damn she is good leading the lemmings. 

So people that like Palin's message are lemmings. Let's look at some of those "lemmings" she will be speaking to: Daytona Chamber of Commerce, Senator John McCain, Charity of Hope, Barbara Bush's Literacy Foundation's "A Celebration of Reading", Economic Club of Southeastern Michigan, and Faulkner University Benefit Dinner. Business and government leaders and university folks, yep, those folks are sure mindless followers.

Joe, it's okay to respect strong, successful women. Did you hear? We have given women the right to vote and believe it or not women cannot be fired based solely on their gender.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

RecycleMichael

I agree that calling everybody who likes Sarah Palin a lemming is stupid. She has many fans, especially among the pro-life crowd.

But, many of the groups that she speaks to have selected her and paid her all that money because she can draw a crowd and get sponsors to buy over-priced tables and photo with her.

It isn't because they believe in her, they just use each other. 
Power is nothing till you use it.

guido911

Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 04, 2010, 08:48:07 PM
I agree that calling everybody who likes Sarah Palin a lemming is stupid. She has many fans, especially among the pro-life crowd.

But, many of the groups that she speaks to have selected her and paid her all that money because she can draw a crowd and get sponsors to buy over-priced tables and photo with her.

It isn't because they believe in her, they just use each other.  

Can't argue with any of that. I agree there is a symbiotic relationship in part.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Red Arrow

Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 04, 2010, 08:48:07 PM

But, many of the groups that she speaks to have selected her and paid her all that money because she can draw a crowd and get sponsors to buy over-priced tables and photo with her.

It isn't because they believe in her, they just use each other. 

I believe that's called politics.
 

azbadpuppy

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Quote from: guido911 on February 04, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
So people that like Palin's message are lemmings. Let's look at some of those "lemmings" she will be speaking to: Daytona Chamber of Commerce, Senator John McCain, Charity of Hope, Barbara Bush's Literacy Foundation's "A Celebration of Reading", Economic Club of Southeastern Michigan, and Faulkner University Benefit Dinner. Business and government leaders and university folks, yep, those folks are sure mindless followers.

Joe, it's okay to respect strong, successful women. Did you hear? We have given women the right to vote and believe it or not women cannot be fired based solely on their gender.


What is up with your love affair with this woman? I really am curious. I don't personally know anyone who takes her seriously, even my die hard Okie conservative relatives.

I'm trying to not sound facetious by asking you this, as I am truly wanting to hear some solid reasons why anyone would support Palin.
 

guido911

Quote from: azbadpuppy on February 05, 2010, 10:08:17 AM
What is up with your love affair with this woman? I really am curious. I don't personally know anyone who takes her seriously, even my die hard Okie conservative relatives.

I'm trying to not sound facetious by asking you this, as I am truly wanting to hear some solid reasons why anyone would support Palin.

It's not a "love affair". I support her because she is pro-life, has great views on energy policy, and is a huge supporter of our military. That's it. So, what is with your love affair with Obama?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Conan71

I think she's hawt.  I can't compete with that Guido, that's why I have to pay $100 every time I want to speak in public and why my speaking engagement list is rather small these days.  ;)

She was a breath of fresh air in the 2008 election mainly because she was as much an outsider as you will ever find in a national election and I admired her spunk.  Her nomination for VP was as much an antithesis to an old dinosaur like Joe Biden as there could be.  As a VP, I think she could have done an admirable job attending to state functions, going to funerals, meeting with diplomats, and I think she could have had a pretty good PR role with the American Public.  I simply question her as a serious leader.

She's demonstrated herself since after the '08 election to be nothing special.  She's not a political scholar and has limited knowlege and experience with the political process.  She's simply well-rehearsed on the usual conservative talking points and she does, by all appearances, believe those views.  Not really one iota different than President Obama.  That's not real leadership, it's puppetry and great communication skills.  I like her and she's enjoyable to listen to, however, she's not saying anything new or anything that I couldn't pick up and spout off with three hours a day of Limpbaugh, Hannity, or Beck.

To be perfectly honest, where she finally lost my respect was quitting as the Governor of Alaska.  She's all about raking in the bucks and keeping her name out there for 2012.  She will be slaughtered in the primaries.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Conan71

Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2010, 12:48:05 PM
It's not a "love affair". I support her because she is pro-life, has great views on energy policy, and is a huge supporter of our military. That's it. So, what is with your love affair with Obama?

I suspect azbad might have the same attraction Chris Matthews does to POTUS Obama.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

rwarn17588

Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2010, 12:48:05 PM
It's not a "love affair". I support her because she is pro-life, has great views on energy policy, and is a huge supporter of our military. That's it. So, what is with your love affair with Obama?

Support her as what? An ordinary citizen? OK, I'm fine with that.

But if you want her as a future political candidate, that ship's done sailed. Any credibility she may have had was shot when she quit in the middle of her term. She may run, but she won't win the nomination. All her opponents have to do is say she's a quitter, and that would be an unassailable criticism.

guido911

Quote from: rwarn17588 on February 05, 2010, 01:06:38 PM
Support her as what? An ordinary citizen? OK, I'm fine with that.

But if you want her as a future political candidate, that ship's done sailed. Any credibility she may have had was shot when she quit in the middle of her term. She may run, but she won't win the nomination. All her opponents have to do is say she's a quitter, and that would be an unassailable criticism.

I do not care if she runs or not. I support her (her efforts at getting her message out there even though she does not hold office RW) for my stated reasons. Many folks on this forum just cannot stand the fact that she has massive amounts of influence and popularity yet holds no office. Point to me someone else in that position--even Rush will fall short.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Conan71

Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
I do not care if she runs or not. I support her (her efforts at getting her message out there even though she does not hold office RW) for my stated reasons. Many folks on this forum just cannot stand the fact that she has massive amounts of influence and popularity yet holds no office. Point to me someone else in that position--even Rush will fall short.

Sort of like Paris Hilton?

I'd disagree that she's got more influence than Rush.  I think you underestimate how many conservatives were turned off when she quit.  Speaking to 100 to 2000 people at fund-raisers isn't much of a yard stick at indicating she's become more influential or popular than the paid pundits. She's not really selling anything different or more innovative than any of them are.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

rwarn17588

Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
I do not care if she runs or not.


You could have fooled me some months ago.

guido911

Quote from: Conan71 on February 05, 2010, 01:23:52 PM
Sort of like Paris Hilton?

I'd disagree that she's got more influence than Rush.  I think you underestimate how many conservatives were turned off when she quit.  Speaking to 100 to 2000 people at fund-raisers isn't much of a yard stick at indicating she's become more influential or popular than the paid pundits. She's not really selling anything different or more innovative than any of them are.



What about selling more than 1,000,000 books? Never mind.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

we vs us

From everything I've seen of her, her command of policy is weak and she isn't much of a leader.  Aside from the fact that I disagree with her politics in general, she just doesn't pass muster as a serious presidential contender.  I can't picture her being in charge of the country and us getting a good result.

I sense a little hesitance on her part to fully and completely embrace the Tea Party. They like her charm and her folksiness and her populism but I think she knows that they're only one interest group under the GOP umbrella. IMO, she'll ride their support for $$ and influence through 2010 and and maybe into 2011 but will have to make a broader based pivot at some point to even have a chance at winning the GOP primaries.  

I can't imagine what her strategy would be in a general election, and I think enough people have enough of a strong reaction against her that at best she'd win with a slim margin and more likely lose somewhat decisively.  Either way, get her in a televised debate with Obama (who really is best in a setting like that) and she'll come off quite poorly.

But hey.  We're two years away and anything can happen, right?