Maybe he'll learn in office

[USRufnex]

Dear Conan,

Your longwinded diatribes have fallen on deaf ears....
If I were to read the entire post, I'm sure you've made some fine, moderate-sounding talking points.... aka "BAIT."

But I've lived and worked in different parts of this country and have rarely heard PARTISAN HACKERY as much as I've heard it from you, Gweed, Gas and the rest of the out-of-touch Oklahoma republican hypocrites.... I get it....

YOU HATE OBAMA.
YOU WANT EVERYONE TO REJOICE IN YOUR MUTUAL HATRED OF THE MAN. 
JUST ADMIT IT.
That's what YOU do.
That's what you did last year; that's what you've been doing this year; that's what you'll do next year.  And the year after that....
I can set my clock by it.

It really doesn't matter what Obama does; or what Pelosi does; or what Reid does; it doesn't matter what I post; it doesn't matter how far to the right, the left, or the mushy middle that any dem politician goes, it will never satisfy you. 
Ever.

It's never ending.
It's not reasonable.
You may post some innocent sounding critiques of the administration but after you boil it down....
It's still simple character assassination.... doesn't matter if somebody just died; he's a crook.... doesn't matter if there's a scientific consensus supporting Al Gore's position; global warming's a "hoax"... doesn't matter what I or that poor woman at Coburn's town hall say about healthcare; we're just being "used" and "duped" by liberal dems....

You think everything government does is a "smile sandwich."

And you are so egotistical that you think you somehow KNOW Barack Obama.... you somehow can come to the conclusion that you know the inner workings of his mind.... but I knew people who had worked with him.... I knew a staffer or two for Republicans in Illinois who worked against him because they disagreed with him on policy issues, not because they thought he was "an empty suit."

As much as I'd like to throw out some choice or possibly insightful Illinois-centric quotes about "Rahmbo" or Ray LaHood or Dick Lugar, the silly partisan comments you throw out there on a regular basis make it impossible for me to want to say a damned thing.

When you talk about President Obama like you know his motivations, it is YOU who become ARROGANT AND EGOTISTICAL.

I am old.  I have strong opinions.  And I like a good pi$$ing match.
I admire wevus for trying to have some sort of serious and civil discussion with you....

Good luck wevus.... I am not going to participate in Conan's pre-conceived circular arguments about which party better reflects bi-partisanship... I could post and post and post reasonable arguments and rebuttals ad nauseum, and still be stuck with more of his stock judgments on Obama's character...

I have much more important things to do with my time and my health and my housing these days.

[Conan71]

Hi Kettle, when did you get home? Deaf ears, eh?  Then why the long bloviating diatribe which has zero basis in any comments I've ever made.

You just proved my point.  You are a partisan hack and Obama groper.  You are incabable of having civil political conversations, because you have no constructive interest in solving problems.  You mearly like to repeat problems and construct ways for those problems to fit into the hands of people you disagree with most.

My post was actually pretty thoughtful in spite of that little bag of your dogshit you set fire to on my porch and ran off.

[USRufnex]

Hi Kettle, when did you get home? Deaf ears, eh?  Then why the long bloviating diatribe which has zero basis in any comments I've ever made.

You just proved my point.  You are a partisan hack and Obama groper.  You are incabable of having civil political conversations, because you have no constructive interest in solving problems.  You mearly like to repeat problems and construct ways for those problems to fit into the hands of people you disagree with most.

My post was actually pretty thoughtful in spite of that little bag of your dogshit you set fire to on my porch and ran off.

Au contraire.
Do you ever shut up?
Geez.

11450 posts.
SSDD.   

[YoungTulsan]

Let me just say, Conan is pretty moderate.  I'll leave it at that.

[Gaspar]

[nathanm]

Over a year later and I guess I'm still shocked by the Biden thing.

Vice Presidents have historically been little more than seat-warmers. One shouldn't presume that every President desires a Cheney to run things while they clear brush.

[Breadburner]

Au contraire.
Do you ever shut up?
Geez.

11450 posts.
SSDD.   

Do your-self a favor and take another hiatus.........

[Conan71]

Do your-self a favor and take another hiatus.........

Looks as if your wish has been granted.  Imagine that, I finally offer some praise for Pres. Obama and Ruf twists completely off.  Guido will be so disappointed when he returns from vacation.

[guido911]

Looks as if your wish has been granted.  Imagine that, I finally offer some praise for Pres. Obama and Ruf twists completely off.  Guido will be so disappointed when he returns from vacation.

I made it back. What the heck happened to ruf? Oh well, I mean, he was always so rational and reasoned and this happens.

Still, I read that totally unfair and unhinged crap he attacked you with on the Murtha thread and I was really going to unload on him in epic proportion over his ignoring of Murtha's long history of corruption, his libelous attack of our Marines in Haditha (you know, those fighting men ruf suddenly has respect for), his bigoted attack of his own constituents in the last election, and ruf's utter hypocrisy given his bashing of John McCain (you know, that non serving mega pu$$y) just because Murtha was a veteran. Well, I'm a veteran (bet you didn't know that), and I never been an unindicted co-conspirator that testified against former colleagues of mine to save my a$$ nor have I been accused of steering tax dollars into friends businesses. I guess by ruf's standards I am better than Murtha. Yay me!

My favorite Murtha pic:

[JeffM]

I'm hesitant to discuss this in front of Republicans but I think we might have enough evidence in front of us to draw some conclusions about Obama's effectiveness as a president and so far I'm afraid the outcome isn't all I had hoped for.  

I don't know about you but my household's health care costs have set us back well over $20,000 in the past few years and I was counting on some improvements there.  The real estate bubble caused me to leave California five years ago and the health care bubble may cause me to leave the United States.

Oh, I know Obama's team prevented another Great Depression but the rescue was set in motion by Bush and his team.

And while Obama seems determined to kiss and hold hands with the Republicans I would prefer to see him handing out some punishment.  Not one thing he has done has caused them to alter their tired old cynical game plan.

I mean where are Obama's texting teenagers when we need them?

At this point I don't believe he has a hidden strategy and what we see is what we are going get.  He has squandered his political capital and has nothing to show for it except for an anemic recovery.  I think our best hope is that he will learn in office.

Hey Democrats am I missing something?  Anyone agree or disagree?

I thought I'd just bring back the original premise for this thread.

HT asks for input from Dems and the first 4 responses were from.... drumroll please..... Republicans.

If any deny that political affiliation, then I'd say you're arguably politically to the right of Republicans on any number of issues.... and unwittingly close to Michael Moore on a position or two, strangely enough...

HT, five years ago, I stopped singing professionally because I felt I was playing Russian Roulette with my healthcare.

The real estate bubble caused me to leave Chicago over three years ago.  If I'd been in a position to buy, I could have easily been stuck in one of those "underwater" mortgages... the real estate people told me the only way I'd ever be able to buy a place of my own in Chicago was to do A, B, and C.... and it was still going to be over the top of my budget... of course, I was also told real estate prices never go down, even in a recession....

I stopped posting for awhile after reading a thread complaining about name calling..... after reading over this thread again, these political arguments just aren't worth the trouble anymore... I like Tulsa, I like the people, but I hate the politics here and likely will always feel that way... I'm sure Michael Bates had similar feelings about Cambridge/Boston.... but if you take the road less traveled, you can meet repressed yet reasonable Republicans in Boston or repressed yet reasonable Democrats in Tulsa...

Unfortunately, when conventional Republican answers are perpetually based on deregulation and voluntary compliance, you have situations crop up in which healthcare "have-nots" who have the money end up traveling to Mexico for an MRI.... I hear Monterrey is very nice this time of the year, HT...  

For me..... well, these days.... because of my experience with mortgage companies thus far, it may make more financial sense for me to just move back to Chicago and buy a higher priced condo than to stay in Tulsa....

Go figure.

---RUF

[Breadburner]

Like I said.......

[JeffM]

^^Typical.........

[Conan71]

Softening up a little in your old age, Ruf?  I think you read my posts with a filter that is simply not there.  If you finally did read all my posts on the topic, I mean no disrespect to President Obama (If you notice I almost always address him as President, Pres, or POTUS which is proper and sounds a lot better than crap like "Baby Bush" or "Shrub" that the OP is so fond of saying.

My criticism of him is nothing different nor less than I've recieved from my own employers in the past or the occasional pep talk I get from time to time if I'm not meeting my stated goals.  Let's face it, his agenda simply is too risky politically to fly through the HOR and Senate.  Why is that?  Senators and Reps have to answer to the voters in November.  Even Bayh said something really poignant.  Senators now campaign for six years out of six.  If the people wanted his agenda and it was economically feasible, he'd be getting his way.  I perhaps post comments which are sarcastic or might seem disrepectful but I'm simply trying to get you not to take yourself so seriously and to see there is a middle ground outside your own chosen paradigms.  I think I heard a little of that in your latest post.  Glad you didn't disappear completely (well sort of  )

I do admire your passion when it comes to politics, just don't ever disallow anyone els e

[Conan71]

No Ruf,

Photos of proper wing nuts:

[mr.jaynes]

The problem with politics is, you get people like the current President. He first comes to prominence making the speech at the Democratic convention, 2004, very inspiring, very idealistic. Like any other pol, I suppose, but, that idealism was sincere. It's all well and good to be idealistic when you're campaigning, sure, no matter what side of the aisle you're on. I outgrew my idealism long ago, but for those who still have it, more power to them. And if they want to keep it, stay out of politics. Unfortunately, idealism has to give way to reality when one goes into politics. Certain concessions have to be made for the way things are really done in Washington, if one wants to accomplish anything.