Maybe he'll learn in office

[cecelia]

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to stop something you really believe is wrong.  Sometimes what is wrong is all the hidden crap in an otherwise decent piece of legislation.  Works both ways by the way.  It's only obstructionism if your party/beliefs are being blocked.

Looking forward to credible evidence from you on exactly what hidden "crap" you're referring to. 

[Red Arrow]

Looking forward to credible evidence from you on exactly what hidden "crap" you're referring to.  

Mostly spending that is unrelated to the bill, whatever the bill is.  Deals like buying off Kansas Nebraska in the health bill.  If you haven't heard of that type of stuff that I generalized as crap, you are the ostrich in the earlier photo.

Edit: corrected spelling of Nebraska

[Hoss]

Mostly spending that is unrelated to the bill, whatever the bill is.  Deals like buying off Kansas in the health bill.  If you haven't heard of that type of stuff that I generalized as crap, you are the ostrich in the earlier photo.

If you're gonna criticize some of the most important legislation in the last 50 years, at least know who was bought off.  It was Nebraska.

Makes you righties look uninforme...wait a minute...

[nathanm]

Mostly spending that is unrelated to the bill, whatever the bill is.  Deals like buying off Kansas in the health bill.  If you haven't heard of that type of stuff that I generalized as crap, you are the ostrich in the earlier photo.

It would sound more sincere if the same crap hadn't been going on while the Republicans controlled the House and Senate. Instead, it seems like petulant whining.

[Red Arrow]

If you're gonna criticize some of the most important legislation in the last 50 years, at least know who was bought off.  It was Nebraska.

Makes you righties look uninforme...wait a minute...

It was just a spelling error.   

[Red Arrow]

It would sound more sincere if the same crap hadn't been going on while the Republicans controlled the House and Senate. Instead, it seems like petulant whining.

Show me where I said the Republicans didn't do the same. 

Coburn is about the only one trying to stop it and almost everyone  thinks he's the worst senator that ever lived.

[Breadburner]

Breadburner, fabulous visual of Republicans under Bush! Thanks! 

Thanks for carrying on the tradition.......

[nathanm]

Show me where I said the Republicans didn't do the same. 

Coburn is about the only one trying to stop it and almost everyone  thinks he's the worst senator that ever lived.

You didn't, but you did state that the Republicans weren't being disingenuously obstructionist.

People hating Coburn has nothing to do with his fiscal discipline.

[Red Arrow]

You didn't, but you did state that the Republicans weren't being disingenuously obstructionist.

People hating Coburn has nothing to do with his fiscal discipline.

I guess that depends on whether you believe the programs being promoted need to be stopped at any cost.

I believe that Coburn's blocking bills to make the senators see what's really in some bills, often fiscal, is what people hate.  They just see the "obstruction" because that's what's on the news.   I'm sure that being on the right side of the  fence makes some unhappy. Even I don't always care for some of his religious oriented views.  I'm sure you have some more. 

[nathanm]

I guess that depends on whether you believe the programs being promoted need to be stopped at any cost.

Which I would be completely fine with if it weren't for their profligate spending when they were in power. I find it hard to believe that the Republican Congresspeople abruptly found their scruples sometime in the last couple of years.

(Not talking about Coburn specifically, he complained about Republican overspending, too. That's pretty much the only thing I like about him)

[Red Arrow]

Which I would be completely fine with if it weren't for their profligate spending when they were in power. I find it hard to believe that the Republican Congresspeople abruptly found their scruples sometime in the last couple of years.

Funny how attitudes change when the party in power changes.  Seems like just 2 years ago that the Dems were complaining about runaway spending. 

I have to agree that Bush spent a lot.  "Your" opinion of the war(s) will influence "your" opinion of whether or not it was justified.

[nathanm]

Seems like just 2 years ago that the Dems were complaining about runaway spending.  

They were indeed complaining, but they weren't slowing the functioning of our legislature to a crawl, either. If they had, the Republicans would have had no problem with eliminating the filibuster.

Sadly, Harry Reid lacks the will to play those same games of brinksmanship.

[Conan71]

Which I would be completely fine with if it weren't for their profligate spending when they were in power. I find it hard to believe that the Republican Congresspeople abruptly found their scruples sometime in the last couple of years.

(Not talking about Coburn specifically, he complained about Republican overspending, too. That's pretty much the only thing I like about him)

Take a read of any major spending bill during the Republican majority years and I assure you they are crammed full of pork for Democrat-represented districts as well.

And now when obstructionist Democrats create problems in getting legislation through it's those evil Republicans keeping anything from happening.  Has it ever dawned on you that Democrats are contributing every bit as much to the problems in Washington?  There's a whole corrupt culture which transcends party lines.  The longer people continue to believe it's "the other" party which is responsible for run-away spending and obstructionism, the worse our governance becomes and the more we as taxpayers are fleeced.

[Hometown]

Well to address some issues raised here by Democrats I would say that our leader should have been prepared for the push back he is getting from Republicans and Democrats.  He has not shown enough leadership on healthcare period.  And like Jimmy Carter, he's a remarkable statesman but he is lacking in the leadership department.

I do believe Clinton would have been less idealistic and more prepared for the real fight at hand.  But in total she may not have been any better.

And to the point that we are getting to clean up another Republican mess, I am in complete agreement.  We enable the Republicans by repeatedly cleaning up their messes.

[Conan71]

Well to address some issues raised here by Democrats I would say that our leader should have been prepared for the push back he is getting from Republicans and Democrats.  He has not shown enough leadership on healthcare period.  And like Jimmy Carter, he's a remarkable statesman but he is lacking in the leadership department.

I do believe Clinton would have been less idealistic and more prepared for the real fight at hand.  But in total she may not have been any better.

And to the point that we are getting to clean up another Republican mess, I am in complete agreement.  We enable the Republicans by repeatedly cleaning up their messes.

A good reason why there is push back is because Senators and Congressmen/women will not be re-elected if they don't do the will of their constituents.  If President Obama is finding it hard to get better than tepid support for many of his initiatives, that's probably a pretty good indicator that the average American voter doesn't want them.  He is not "King Obama" he is the leader of a representative republic and as such needs to realize that his view isn't the only relevant view on the table.