scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

[nathanm]

Oh, look, more global warming denier material decimated:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233942

That's some pretty bald-faced smile right there.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I am beginning to think I would like a little more global warming.  Florida could be about twice as big as it is now, so could maybe afford a little place there for retirement.

[Conan71]

Oh, look, more global warming denier material decimated:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233942

That's some pretty bald-faced smile right there.

An opinion piece about an opinion piece critiquing a trumped up opinion piece. Scholarly material FAIL

[guido911]

An opinion piece about an opinion piece critiquing a trumped up opinion piece. Scholarly material FAIL

I dare say, post of the week candidate?

[Red Arrow]

I am beginning to think I would like a little more global warming.  Florida could be about twice as big as it is now, so could maybe afford a little place there for retirement.

If you go along with Global Flooding Warming Climate Change, what we now know as Florida will be smaller.  You may, however, get tropical Florida weather and climate right here in Oklahoma.  Then you won't have to move to Florida, it will move to you.  I don't know where to put all the displaced people from Florida.  Maybe Arkansas will take them.  The eastern part of Arkansas is low and flat.  It could be the new ocean front property.

[Conan71]

If you go along with Global Flooding Warming Climate Change, what we now know as Florida will be smaller.  You may, however, get tropical Florida weather and climate right here in Oklahoma.  Then you won't have to move to Florida, it will move to you.  I don't know where to put all the displaced people from Florida.  Maybe Arkansas will take them.  The eastern part of Arkansas is low and flat.  It could be the new ocean front property.

We could just move them to Fort Chaffee.  We did that for the Cubans when Castro warming overwhelmed Cuba.

That's been a total socialism FAIL

[Red Arrow]

We could just move them to Fort Chaffee.  We did that for the Cubans when Castro warming overwhelmed Cuba.

That's been a total socialism FAIL

But they learned how to keep more 1950s American cars running longer than anywhere else on earth.

[nathanm]

An opinion piece about an opinion piece critiquing a trumped up opinion piece. Scholarly material FAIL

Would you like me to link to the book? 

Given that Lomborg's book is oft-quoted in denier circles, I dare say that someone going through his references and finding that most of them don't say what Lomborg claims is pretty interesting.

[Conan71]

Would you like me to link to the book? 

Given that Lomborg's book is oft-quoted in denier circles, I dare say that someone going through his references and finding that most of them don't say what Lomborg claims is pretty interesting.

Link if you like, Nathan

How about all the fraud in Algore's movie, book, Senate speeches, and public speaking engagements?  How many times has he been caught gilding the lily?  Do you ever question him stretching or entirely lying about what sources he quotes say?  And so far as I know, neither Lomborg nor Friel are climatologists that I'm aware of, so I'd give no weight to either of their works on climatological matters.

I know, let's just use bank accounts for a yardstick as to who has more credibility on global warming er climate change:

Donald Trump worth a paltry $2 bln says it's a hoax, Bill Gates with $50 bln says it's true.  Yeah, the guy with a bigger bank account has more credibility. 

"Donald Trump wants the Nobel Committee to strip former Vice President Al Gore of his Nobel Peace Prize.

The New York Post reports that the billionaire told a country club crowd of 500 that recent snow storms on the east coast prove that Gore is wrong about global warming:

"With the coldest winter ever recorded, with snow setting record levels up and down the coast, the Nobel committee should take the Nobel Prize back from Al Gore."

"Gore wants us to clean up our factories... when China and other countries couldn't care less... China, Japan and India are laughing at America's stupidity."

"The Donald" did not include Vancouver's unseasonably warm temperatures and lack of snow in his weather observations.

After last week's record-breaking storms, many scientists went to great lengths to explain that the storms do not disprove climate change. Some even believe that climate change contributed to the storms.

Last Friday, another billionaire, Microsoft founder Bill Gates, went after climate change deniers and explained that climate change and CO2 emissions pose a huge threat to people everywhere.

In 2009, Forbes ranked Bill Gates as the richest American with a net worth of $50 billion. Donald Trump ranked 158 on the same list, with a significantly smaller net worth of $2 billion."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/15/donald-trump-points-to-sn_n_462834.html

Simply laughable if the implications weren't so severe.  We are relying on celebs, billionaires, op-ed journalists, and politicians on climate issues.

[nathanm]

How about all the fraud in Algore's movie, book, Senate speeches, and public speaking engagements?  How many times has he been caught gilding the lily?  Do you ever question him stretching or entirely lying about what sources he quotes say?  And so far as I know, neither Lomborg nor Friel are climatologists that I'm aware of, so I'd give no weight to either of their works on climatological matters.
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Simply laughable if the implications weren't so severe.  We are relying on celebs, billionaires, op-ed journalists, and politicians on climate issues.

Lomberg claimed to be citing studies in support of his claims. He was not. Many people used his claims as "evidence" that global warming is not real.

Personally, I don't listen to pundits, except when they reference scientific studies.

I agree that the whole thing has become so politicized it's stupid. So stupid people claim that snowstorms on the east coast in an El Nino (and PDO+) year are somehow proof of it not existing. It never ceases to amaze me how people can't grasp the difference between climate and weather. As Rachel Maddow said the other day (I was sick, my options were limited!), it's like saying that a desert isn't a desert because it happened to rain one day.

I think we can all agree that anybody who says such stupid things should not be trusted on the subject. Being honestly incorrect is one thing. Being so stupid as to think a snowstorm disproves global warming is another thing entirely.

Apopros of nothing, if the el nino and pdo hold through the summer, we should have a reasonably pleasant time of it this year, if I'm remembering my climatology correctly.

[Conan71]

Lomberg claimed to be citing studies in support of his claims. He was not. Many people used his claims as "evidence" that global warming is not real.

Personally, I don't listen to pundits, except when they reference scientific studies.

I agree that the whole thing has become so politicized it's stupid. So stupid people claim that snowstorms on the east coast in an El Nino (and PDO+) year are somehow proof of it not existing. It never ceases to amaze me how people can't grasp the difference between climate and weather. As Rachel Maddow said the other day (I was sick, my options were limited!), it's like saying that a desert isn't a desert because it happened to rain one day.

I think we can all agree that anybody who says such stupid things should not be trusted on the subject. Being honestly incorrect is one thing. Being so stupid as to think a snowstorm disproves global warming is another thing entirely.

Apopros of nothing, if the el nino and pdo hold through the summer, we should have a reasonably pleasant time of it this year, if I'm remembering my climatology correctly.

Yeah, imagine a new record for lack of ice melt reported in Antartica, by glaciologists, being used as a basis for global warming er climate change existing.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/10/06/antarctic-ice-melt-at-lowest-levels-in-satellite-era/

[nathanm]

Yeah, imagine a new record for lack of ice melt reported in Antartica, by glaciologists, being used as a basis for global warming er climate change existing.

Once again, weather overwhelms the overall trend.

[Red Arrow]

I was wondering how long it took for weather patterns to become climate so I looked it up.

Climate vs. Weather for those who don't feel like looking it up:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

"What Climate Means
In short, climate is the description of the long-term pattern of weather in a particular area.

Some scientists define climate as the average weather for a particular region and time period, usually taken over 30-years. It's really an average pattern of weather for a particular region.

When scientists talk about climate, they're looking at averages of precipitation, temperature, humidity, sunshine, wind velocity, phenomena such as fog, frost, and hail storms, and other measures of the weather that occur over a long period in a particular place.

For example, after looking at rain gauge data, lake and reservoir levels, and satellite data, scientists can tell if during a summer, an area was drier than average. If it continues to be drier than normal over the course of many summers, than it would likely indicate a change in the climate."

Nathan: I hope you find this to be an acceptable source.

[Red Arrow]

Conan,

Nathan is too far gone, I don't think he can be brought back from the dark side of the Force.   

[Conan71]

Conan,

Nathan is too far gone, I don't think he can be brought back from the dark side of the Force.   

Yeah, I think the lure is somewhere in his lower G.I. now.