Tulsa Air and Rocket Racing Show, April 24th

[DolfanBob]

Suh-Wheat !
Sgriz, Im glad I asked. Those pics are awsome, and your explanation perfect.
I will now consider taking the kids out there for the day. Looks like a great time.

[Vision 2025]

I'll be there, on the grounds is the only place to be!

I Haven't missed OSH for several years now. I go to a nearby fly-in for quiet camping and flying then ride the bus around the lake to OSH a couple of days.  Last year I took my 13 year old dauguter and had to pull her out the gate when it was time to go, her request for this year MORE DAYS AT THE AIRSHOW!

[sgrizzle]

I'll be there, on the grounds is the only place to be!

I Haven't missed OSH for several years now. I go to a nearby fly-in for quiet camping and flying then ride the bus around the lake to OSH a couple of days.  Last year I took my 13 year old dauguter and had to pull her out the gate when it was time to go, her request for this year MORE DAYS AT THE AIRSHOW!

I did 3 days and would say I saw "most" of the larger exhibits. I didn't go over to the small craft side.

I stayed in green bay.

[custosnox]

on the topic, sort of, found this interesting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8530165.stm

[Vision 2025]

I did 3 days and would say I saw "most" of the larger exhibits. I didn't go over to the small craft side.

I stayed in green bay.

New Holstein, they treat us like family...

What do you fly?

[sgrizzle]

New Holstein, they treat us like family...

What do you fly?

While my velocity may have been comparable, my transportation was four-wheeled and never left the ground.

[Vision 2025]

While my velocity may have been comparable, my transportation was four-wheeled and never left the ground.

and I understand the inverse, having looked down at trucks passing me by on ocassion

[Conan71]

and I understand the inverse, having looked down at trucks passing me by on ocassion

We had cars passing us on I-40 coming back from Tunica, Miss. one time in my friend's Cherokee 180.  As I recall we had a headwind in the 40-50 kt. range and it was one hell of a bumpy ride.  We wound up leaving the plane in Tahlequah and bumming a ride back to Tulsa after stopping to drop off the two pax we'd picked up at TQH on the way to UTA.  We could only use about 1/2 tanks to stay within the weight/balance envelope which meant a fuel stop somewhere between Little Rock and Rogers with that kind of slow progress.

It had a climb prop to airspeed was only about 105-110 kts but it sure would get to altitude quick. 

[Hoss]

We had cars passing us on I-40 coming back from Tunica, Miss. one time in my friend's Cherokee 180.  As I recall we had a headwind in the 40-50 kt. range and it was one hell of a bumpy ride.  We wound up leaving the plane in Tahlequah and bumming a ride back to Tulsa after stopping to drop off the two pax we'd picked up at TQH on the way to UTA.  We could only use about 1/2 tanks to stay within the weight/balance envelope which meant a fuel stop somewhere between Little Rock and Rogers with that kind of slow progress.

It had a climb prop to airspeed was only about 105-110 kts but it sure would get to altitude quick. 

I'm surprised you guys didn't try to change altitude to find a less spectacular (or would that be craptacular in this case?) head wind.  That happened to a friend and I once on a trip to Mineral Wells, TX.  It was going to be a down and back; the GPS showed our groundspeed at about 82 knots  (around 93 mph) in a plane rated at about 104kts.  Headwind was terrible.

On the flipside, our groundspeed coming home was about 145 kts...

[Conan71]

I'm surprised you guys didn't try to change altitude to find a less spectacular (or would that be craptacular in this case?) head wind.  That happened to a friend and I once on a trip to Mineral Wells, TX.  It was going to be a down and back; the GPS showed our groundspeed at about 82 knots  (around 93 mph) in a plane rated at about 104kts.  Headwind was terrible.

On the flipside, our groundspeed coming home was about 145 kts...

It was near 35 kts with gusts on the dirt that day, so that should tell you about the screaming winds aloft.  That's the reason we left the plane at TQH.  Yes, we got a weather briefing- stupid get-there-itis and a more than optimistic outlook on a low pressure system passing further than it did.  The only way to gain on our air  speed would have been a scud-running altitude, no thanks.  As I recall 2500 was way bumpy, seems like we were at 4500 coming home.

[Hoss]

It was near 35 kts with gusts on the dirt that day, so that should tell you about the screaming winds aloft.  That's the reason we left the plane at TQH.  Yes, we got a weather briefing- stupid get-there-itis and a more than optimistic outlook on a low pressure system passing further than it did.  The only way to gain on our air  speed would have been a scud-running altitude, no thanks.  As I recall 2500 was way bumpy, seems like we were at 4500 coming home.

Plus, 2500 feet limits your options if there is engine trouble.  I know I always tried to get as high an altitude as possible in case I had some sort of engine trouble so I could glide that thing as long and far as possible.  Highest I've even been in a single engine is 11,500 feet.  You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.

[Red Arrow]

  You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.

It's even more noticable if one is loopy on the ground.   

[Conan71]

Plus, 2500 feet limits your options if there is engine trouble.  I know I always tried to get as high an altitude as possible in case I had some sort of engine trouble so I could glide that thing as long and far as possible.  Highest I've even been in a single engine is 11,500 feet.  You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.

I decided to see what one of Christiansen's worn out 152's would ceiling out at on a 95 degree (on the ground) day one time, heading east-bound.  I made it to close to 9500 ft and the climb rate had dropped to around 20 or 30 FPM.  My AOA was so high at that point it was scrubbing off a lot of forward speed, so I went back to 7500.

[Conan71]

It's even more noticable if one is loopy on the ground.   

No ground loops!  Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger.  Anyone else ever do it?

[dbacks fan]

on the topic, sort of, found this interesting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8530165.stm

Just north of Tucson is the Pinal Air Park, another boneyard for civilian commercial aircraft mianly Northwest Airlines. It was home to CIA ops in the 50's and 60's, most notably Air America operations. And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c