Tulsa Air and Rocket Racing Show, April 24th

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No ground loops!  Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger.  Anyone else ever do it?

I was referring to the person being loopy.

Flying a taildragger isn't much different than a nose dragger.    Take off and landings are the big difference.  They will teach you the meaning of the words "rudder pedal".  Wheel landings are a different skill set from stalled landings.

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And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.

A Beechcraft Starship occasionally still flys in to Riverside/Jones (KRVS) by Jenks.  Great looking plane.

[Conan71]

Just north of Tucson is the Pinal Air Park, another boneyard for civilian commercial aircraft mianly Northwest Airlines. It was home to CIA ops in the 50's and 60's, most notably Air America operations. And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c

The airplane ghetto.  They steal the landing gear and leave them on pallets:

[sgrizzle]

A Beechcraft Starship occasionally still flys in to Riverside/Jones (KRVS) by Jenks.  Great looking plane.

I've seen it flying around before. Was wondering if it was based there.

[Hoss]

I decided to see what one of Christiansen's worn out 152's would ceiling out at on a 95 degree (on the ground) day one time, heading east-bound.  I made it to close to 9500 ft and the climb rate had dropped to around 20 or 30 FPM.  My AOA was so high at that point it was scrubbing off a lot of forward speed, so I went back to 7500.

You've seen me Conan...even at my lighter status now a 152 would be a no-way.  The 172s are even a little crowded for me; my flyin buddy, while not so rotund, is about 6-4 and 240, so the both of us in a 172 for a five hour flight (we flew to St Louis Regional in Alton IL one time) gets a little nerve-wracking.  Especially when you fly into St Louis' Class B airspace.  It took the both of us watching to make sure we got down in one piece.

He used to buy blocks of airtime (that's a story for later) and we'd fly at least once a week and that lasted almost a year.  I've got CD's full of 30 second clips of us flying.  On my buddy's first flight with me after he got his instrument paper, we flew west to AMA through some clouds and a bit of a little storm as we got to AMA.  He was on final, had the right rudder stabbed full and we still had a crab angle of about 25 to 30 degrees because of a nasty crosswind with quite a headwind component.  Needless to say we switched runways.  I have that first attempt on video somewhere..you can see the runway through the canopy and it's off to the left quite a bit.

[Vision 2025]

No ground loops!  Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger.  Anyone else ever do it?

'Happy Feet' is more than a movie... I fly a Cub

[Vision 2025]

I've seen it flying around before. Was wondering if it was based there.

Yes, at times there are two of the roughly half dozen that are airworthy area at Riverside.

[Hoss]

I was referring to the person being loopy.

Flying a taildragger isn't much different than a nose dragger.    Take off and landings are the big difference.  They will teach you the meaning of the words "rudder pedal".  Wheel landings are a different skill set from stalled landings.

True, but there's nothing like the feeling of greasing a landing where your stall horn goes off just as your mains touch...

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True, but there's nothing like the feeling of greasing a landing where your stall horn goes off just as your mains touch...

Same with a power off approach from downwind (no correcting with slips or power additions), land a cub on the mains without bouncing.

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we flew west to AMA through some clouds and a bit of a little storm as we got to AMA.  He was on final, had the right rudder stabbed full and we still had a crab angle of about 25 to 30 degrees because of a nasty crosswind with quite a headwind component.  Needless to say we switched runways. 

My dad and I were a flight of 2 in C150s in the mid 80s flying from Santa Fe, NM landing at AMA.  The wind was cross to both runways and they advised us there was another airport with a better aligned runway (Tradewind TDW) about 6 mi SW.  We landed without incident at AMA.  When we arrived at the ramp, the FBO had 2 wing walkers for each of us.  I'm glad I had a lot of practice in 150s.

[OSU]

Hey I have a question about the airshow ...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.

[sgrizzle]

Hey I have a question about the airshow ...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.

You'll probably see f-15 and f-16. The blue angels and thunderbirds have set schedules years in advance. Hardesty own an f-5 so it'll probably be there and some of the older warbirds from riverside like the B-24 and a bunch of T-6's. The bartlesville biplane show just folded so there will probably be a few of those who may come here in leiu of that show. The F-22's are real prevalent yet so probably not an A-10 is a possibility. I'd love for them to bring a B-2 from Tinker but likely all we'll see from OKC is an AWACS.

[Hoss]

Same with a power off approach from downwind (no correcting with slips or power additions), land a cub on the mains without bouncing.

Used to love practice the full power-off stall...power to idle, set flaps to 20 and aerodynamics did the rest.  It was always unnerving to be 7500 feet up, then see the ground just over the cowling and see your vertical speed was about 1100 fpm down..

[MDepr2007]

Hey I have a question about the airshow ...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.

Muskogee has a decent one at Davis Field I hear and this year I think it's on 9-11.

[Conan71]

Slight correction, I believe the B-2 program is still run out of Warrensburg exclusively in the states.  I did see one doing touch & go's at TUL back when we invaded Iraq & Afghanistan. They've got B-1's at Tinker & McConnell