Domestic terrorist

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Antigovernment Republican rhetoric has given tacit approval for the kind of incident you are discussing.  The Republican Party has swung much further to the right than the Democratic Party has ever swung to the left.  You Republicans are laying the groundwork for fascism.

So if the IRS goes after you, you are justified in attacking the U.S. Government?  You guys really are a bunch of crooks that can't stand any kind of oversight.

God save us from the Republicans.

Barf!

[Gaspar]

Antigovernment Republican rhetoric has given tacit approval for the kind of incident you are discussing.  The Republican Party has swung much further to the right than the Democratic Party has ever swung to the left.  You Republicans are laying the groundwork for fascism.

So if the IRS goes after you, you are justified in attacking the U.S. Government?  You guys really are a bunch of crooks that can't stand any kind of oversight.

God save us from the Republicans.

Hometown, You're right.

A great example of exactly what is wrong.

God save us from the Republicans and the Democrats.  They have become two opposing teams that latch onto whatever view is contrarian to their counterpart.  Neither is capable of the dialogue necessary to serve the people.  Both wholly concerned with poisoning the other.

When we talk of political differences our discussions should be focused on the application of FORCE.  Government is FORCE, and nothing more.  Conservatives believe in the conservative application of force to protect people from harm.  Liberals believe in the liberal application of force to the same ends.  The constitution provides the limits.  

The two parties, Republican & Democrat, have rendered themselves useless now, two soccer teams battling for the ball, so concerned with the glory of victory that they don't realize the stands are emptying.  

[Conan71]

Antigovernment Republican rhetoric has given tacit approval for the kind of incident you are discussing.  The Republican Party has swung much further to the right than the Democratic Party has ever swung to the left.  You Republicans are laying the groundwork for fascism.

So if the IRS goes after you, you are justified in attacking the U.S. Government?  You guys really are a bunch of crooks that can’t stand any kind of oversight.

God save us from the Republicans.

How on earth you cobbled that bunch of gobbeldy gook together out of this incident is a total mysterty to me.  According to his manifesto, he hated GWB with a passion. 

Show me some proof this nutjob was a Republican and how it's remotely relevant to his psychosis that led to this.

[dbacks fan]

He was also not a fan of big business and Democrats...
"Return to the early '80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a 'wet-behind-the-ears' contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706."

[dbacks fan]

Also his comment

"Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn't need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco."

shows that he didn't care for the government at all because the the whole base closure act covered Regan, Bush I, and Clinton, as well as Dick Cheney, Dick Armey, and everybody else in the House and Senate from '88 to '99. We had a global recession in the early 90's.

Although dry, this is an interesting read on the BRAC Act


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/97-305.pdf

[nathanm]

I'm simply curious what kind of draconian measures this assclown has now left general aviation and commercial building management with.  There will be some sort of far-reaching over-reaction to this which will limit others liberties you can bet on it.

Yes, despite the incident providing yet more proof that light planes can't do much damage to buildings constructed better than your average tract house, I fully expect to see some sort of asinine regulations on GA. Probably related to passengers, even though passengers had nothing to do with this. It's the default reaction these days.

And yes, everyone, the term "terrorism" is utterly useless.

[Conan71]

I think about the only political leaning we can take from this is he was anti-government.

[dbacks fan]

Yes, despite the incident providing yet more proof that light planes can't do much damage to buildings constructed better than your average tract house, I fully expect to see some sort of asinine regulations on GA. Probably related to passengers, even though passengers had nothing to do with this. It's the default reaction these days.

And yes, everyone, the term "terrorism" is utterly useless.

Five day waiting period after filing a flight plan so that there is a cool down period if needed.

[nathanm]

Five day waiting period after filing a flight plan so that there is a cool down period if needed.

I think that should be filed under "airline bailout," not "security." 

[dbacks fan]

I think about the only political leaning we can take from this is he was anti-government.

Agreed!

[Hoss]

Yes, despite the incident providing yet more proof that light planes can't do much damage to buildings constructed better than your average tract house, I fully expect to see some sort of asinine regulations on GA. Probably related to passengers, even though passengers had nothing to do with this. It's the default reaction these days.

And yes, everyone, the term "terrorism" is utterly useless.

Ain't no way all this guy had in his plane was 40 gallons of 100LL.  He had to have had something else in that plane.  You just don't get that burn rate out of 40 gallons of AvGas.

Especially in a four seat Piper Cherokee.  It's not much bigger than a Dodge Ram actually.

[BLKHWK]

 Size-wise, it is a little bigger, but only weighs a bit less than 2200 lbs with full tanks and pilot. And depending on the model, it can carry between 50 and 84 gallons of fuel.  The Dodge Ram is about a 4000+ pound vehicle.

[Hoss]

Size-wise, it is a little bigger, but only weighs a bit less than 2200 lbs with full tanks and pilot. And depending on the model, it can carry between 50 and 84 gallons of fuel.  The Dodge Ram is about a 4000+ pound vehicle.

I know..I am/was a pilot that started his training in a PA-28.  I'm talking about how much space it occupies.  And the model I trained in carried about 54 gallons.  So if you figure 3 gallons preflight/taxi, 3 gallons climbout/cruise..you get the picture.  Even at 84 gallons that's not enough to create the kind of fire I saw on the footage.  Unless there was some kind of accelerant involved either in the plane or at the point of impact.

[nathanm]

I know..I am/was a pilot that started his training in a PA-28.  I'm talking about how much space it occupies.  And the model I trained in carried about 54 gallons.  So if you figure 3 gallons preflight/taxi, 3 gallons climbout/cruise..you get the picture.  Even at 84 gallons that's not enough to create the kind of fire I saw on the footage.  Unless there was some kind of accelerant involved either in the plane or at the point of impact.

Paper burns really well, even in the absence of any accelerant. Douse a little avgas on the carpet, desks, and things, while physically breaking open filing cabinets and scattering flammables about and you'll get a pretty good sized fire. Nothing that will take down an entire building, mind you, but a surprisingly large fire nonetheless.

[waterboy]

Recent reports are that he ripped out the seats of the plane and stole a drum of avgas to put on board. So, yes it was more than a simple act of rage. I wonder what folks at the airfield thought he was doing? Is it really that lax at these small airfields?

Anyway, I am in a minority as usual. I understood his rant. I do understand how someone can do such crazy smile, while all his friends and coworkers seemed to think he was just a fine, calm, friendly individual. The pressure from authority and the irrational, illogical nature of what it takes to be "successful" can be overpowering to a personality unsuited for it. However, I don't really think he was insane. He was narcissistic, naive, ethically challenged and unwilling to face realities. No different than the guys who live by the principle of "If I can't have her, no one can have her" and end up killing loved ones. I meet lots of people with similar characteristics each day and I wonder...if they may come charging through our door one day with incendiaries.

Truth is he was unwilling to adapt to what the business and political world really is about, even though he was likely guilty of the same sins he complained about.  Just my thoughts.