TPS Bond ..Send Prop.1 back to the drawing board

[PonderInc]

Wow.  I am amazed at the debate here.  (And my expectations are generally pretty low.)

I wonder if there was a period of time before the Dark Ages when people were wondering "when did education and enlightenment become a bad idea...?"

So you would prefer not to replace the roofs on 10 schools.  You would prefer to have them suffer excessive water damage, and then pay to fix that later at 10-times the cost?  You would prefer not to replace old windows?  You would rather continue to pay the increased energy costs from leaky windows?  (Oh yeah, and more water damage...)

You would prefer to continue to see young families move to the burbs where they have "nice facilities" and where the communities are willing to "invest in education..."

Save a penny, waste a pound...

If you want to attract people to Tulsa we need good schools.  This includes good facilities and well-maintained buildings.  It's also acceptable to upgrade technology.  (Oh, the times, they are a changin...).  And buy books.  And support arts education.  And physical education.

Voting "yes" will not raise your taxes.  This will simply continue what you're currently paying...which is nothing when  you compare Tulsa to any other city in America.

I can't decide if we're so stupid b/c we're so cheap--or if we're so cheap b/c we're so stupid.

[SXSW]

Wow.  I am amazed at the debate here.  (And my expectations are generally pretty low.)

I wonder if there was a period of time before the Dark Ages when people were wondering "when did education and enlightenment become a bad idea...?"

So you would prefer not to replace the roofs on 10 schools.  You would prefer to have them suffer excessive water damage, and then pay to fix that later at 10-times the cost?  You would prefer not to replace old windows?  You would rather continue to pay the increased energy costs from leaky windows?  (Oh yeah, and more water damage...)

You would prefer to continue to see young families move to the burbs where they have "nice facilities" and where the communities are willing to "invest in education..."

Save a penny, waste a pound...

If you want to attract people to Tulsa we need good schools.  This includes good facilities and well-maintained buildings.  It's also acceptable to upgrade technology.  (Oh, the times, they are a changin...).  And buy books.  And support arts education.  And physical education.

Voting "yes" will not raise your taxes.  This will simply continue what you're currently paying...which is nothing when  you compare Tulsa to any other city in America.

I can't decide if we're so stupid b/c we're so cheap--or if we're so cheap b/c we're so stupid.

I don't get it either, it seems like a no-brainer to vote yes to me.  Like I said I can't imagine this not passing but I worry about people being misinformed.

[dsjeffries]

I don't get it either, it seems like a no-brainer to vote yes to me.  Like I said I can't imagine this not passing but I worry about people being misinformed.

No-brainer as in people who don't have a brain? No-brainers vote no!

I hope this passes. It will do enormous good for the district. I hope they're shovel-ready!

[swake]

I don't get it either, it seems like a no-brainer to vote yes to me.  Like I said I can't imagine this not passing but I worry about people being misinformed.

Or voting no over bathroom stall doors 15 years ago.

[dsjeffries]

Or voting no over bathroom stall doors 15 years ago.

And the fact that there might not be bathroom stall doors BECAUSE of people who vote down bond issues?

[TURobY]

Had a friend at the same polling location just tell me she was 133.

[brianh]

And the fact that there might not be bathroom stall doors BECAUSE of people who vote down bond issues?

Actually because they were trying to control drugs. So no, not because of the bond issue. I have changed my mind on one part of the bond issue though, I will vote for the one that goes to repair East Central's building. The rest is teacher luxury.

[SXSW]

Had a friend at the same polling location just tell me she was 133.

Hopefully the low turnout will benefit the passage of this bond.  Norman just overwhelmingly passed a similar bond and it would look really bad if Tulsa can't do the same.

[TURobY]

Hopefully the low turnout will benefit the passage of this bond.  Norman just overwhelmingly passed a similar bond and it would look really bad if Tulsa can't do the same.

Additionally, I know more people who go to vote after work than I know who go before work, so that might also give the numbers a bit of a bump.

[swake]

Actually because they were trying to control drugs. So no, not because of the bond issue. I have changed my mind on one part of the bond issue though, I will vote for the one that goes to repair East Central's building. The rest is teacher luxury.

Really? "Teacher luxury"?  

People like you are why people like me live in the Jenks school district.

[waterboy]

#159. Voted yes on all issues. Only have one kid left in the public school system, with just two years remaining in a well built, well maintained, high standards high school. I could just figure, oh well, nothing for me to gain here. However, others voted for the improved schools I attended that are now in poor condition. If you believe in progress and support education so that the city may be competitive and prosper, I can't see any justification for voting no on any of them.

[guido911]

Reminds me of Boot Camp.

In some boot camps, there were no stalls.

[TURobY]

Looks like all measures passed, each with a nearly 75% vote of 'For'.

[swampee]

Im very excited about this vote for the city of Tulsa.

[OurTulsa]

I saw a local news segment yesterday interviewing opposing viewpoints as they were presented at the intersection of 41st/Yale.  The opposing 'vote no' crowd had dubbed themselves the U.S. Patriots.  When in the hell did Patriotism become synonomous with voting down school bond issues?  Or, is this representative of a historic association with early patriots fighting against British rule/taxation?  I personally found it odd. 
I take the opposite viewpoint in that voting 'for' school bond issues is patriotic.  I tend to want my country to be comprised of very educated individuals with equal access to quality facilities and so on and so forth.  My taxation is represented by my local school board member who has direct accountibility to me, the voter, who then has the responsibility to make decisions on how our tax monies are distributed, managed...  If there's waste and all the other nasty things the 'no voters' complain about shouldn't they be focussed on school board races instead - to get better oversight?