How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[bokworker]

I'll just leave this here. Guido, you shouldn't read it, as it will make your head explode. You might even decide to move to another country:
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/

Yeah well disabled seaman cannot procreate so I think enough time has passed that we should be ok with this one...

[guido911]

Here is a very interesting exchange regarding the repeal of Obamacare and the House GOP reviving of the Stupak Amendment that would prohibit federal dollars for abortion.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4503624/gop-introducing-bill-to-prohibit-fed-funded-abortions/

Okay. it's not that interesting. It's that Rep. Noem is easy on the eyes. (edited)

[guido911]

House GOP investigating the issuance of more than 200 waivers to Obamacare.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/20/rep-upton-begins-investigation-of-health-care-bureaucracy/

[nathanm]

*checks watch*

*TAP* *TAP* *TAP*

Is this thing working? It says 2011, but I'm suddenly overwhelmed with a sense of deja vu. Why are the news wires spitting out 16 year old stories?

[Red Arrow]

*checks watch*
*TAP* *TAP* *TAP*
Is this thing working? It says 2011, but I'm suddenly overwhelmed with a sense of deja vu. Why are the news wires spitting out 16 year old stories?

Back to the Future, Part IV

[nathanm]

Back to the Future, Part IV

I didn't realize they could make a sequel more depressing than alternate 1985.

[nathanm]

This is not perfectly on point, but it does address some of the "job killer" arguments and is equally as pancakes? as the last link. The business rags have apparently gone nuts recently..

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism_pagen_2.html

[Red Arrow]

I didn't realize they could make a sequel more depressing than alternate 1985.

No problem for Hollywood.

[we vs us]

This is not perfectly on point, but it does address some of the "job killer" arguments and is equally as pancakes? as the last link. The business rags have apparently gone nuts recently..

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism_pagen_2.html

Glad you posted this.  I came across it yesterday and was glad/relieved to finally see that the nordic model was getting some coverage.  

Aside from liking the idea of social democracy from a "provide for the common good" standpoint, I also think it points out that entrepreneurial success can thrive in all kinds of environments (also cf. "Communist" China); that it isn't in fact Capitalism but Capitalisms. Gassy's insistence on the One True Path of Market Fundamentalism notwithstanding, it also proves that taxes alone -- even much higher taxes -- do not alone scotch economic development.  Especially when those taxes are deployed to relieve businesses of certain costs that they otherwise, as lone actors, would have to pay much more for in time, money, and opportunity costs (infrastucture, healthcare and retirement services, education, etc).  

People think of taxes as only a drag on business, but if businesses are actually getting tangible benefits out of their investment in the state (a healthier, happier, better educated workforce; better infrastructure to get goods to market; investment in R&D; etc.) you'd assume that businesses might be a little more enthused in investing in such a system.  

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm still waiting for the "Death Panels".  This could be a reality TV show OR a made-for-TV movie series...
 

[Red Arrow]

Aside from liking the idea of social democracy from a "provide for the common good" standpoint,  

I am now accepting donations to upgrade the avionic in my plane.  It would make me happy and qualify for the "common good" as I would be less likely to post negative responses to your posts.

[nathanm]

I am now accepting donations to upgrade the avionic in my plane.  It would make me happy and qualify for the "common good" as I would be less likely to post negative responses to your posts.

How about having the federal government pay for your health care so your company doesn't have to? Then they can pay you more and you can afford the avionics?

[Red Arrow]

How about having the federal government pay for your health care so your company doesn't have to? Then they can pay you more and you can afford the avionics?

Nah.  I want everyone to chip in for the project.  With better avionics I am less likely to crash into your house so it would be good for you to send $ now.  PM me for address etc.  I don't want to spend my money on it.  As Wevsus said, common good.

Eventually the feds will tax my employer to pay for health care and due to the "middle man government" costs, the taxes will be higher than what it costs my employer now.  I will probably get a pay cut to get government funded health care.

[nathanm]

Eventually the feds will tax my employer to pay for health care and due to the "middle man government" costs, the taxes will be higher than what it costs my employer now.  I will probably get a pay cut to get government funded health care.

Social Security covers an older demographic and still manages to be less expensive than equivalent private insurance paid for by your employer. Sounds crazy, I know, but true.

[Red Arrow]

Social Security covers an older demographic and still manages to be less expensive than equivalent private insurance paid for by your employer. Sounds crazy, I know, but true.

Some doctors are reluctant to take new Medicare patients. 

I am paying into Medicare now but not receiving benefits.  I consider it to be prepaying some of the premiums.  Figure the time value of that over a career and let me know if it's still less expensive.

I'm not sure what Medicare alone covers but there sure are a lot of TV ads for supplemental insurance.  Fortunately my mom has both but even then it was not easy when the retirement plan changed the private insurance company to find a new doctor.