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Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It

Started by fotd, March 26, 2010, 01:01:21 PM

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JeffM

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Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Nope, but funny how no one talks about his idiocy yet they love ripping on Palin. Double-standard much?

Double standards?
Yep.

A bi-partisan health insurance reform bill just passed Congress with only partisan support.

Some Republicans should have been able to vote for it, since it ended up much closer to Romneycare and/or the '90s-style Bob Dole compromise to Hillarycare than it ever was to the healthcare position Obama campaigned on.  The Obama administration compromised very early on the individual mandate, so I guess Hillary supporters can say, "I told you so..." -- oh well, at least Obama didn't hire Dick Morris to "triangulate" his change of heart...

I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney....
And I didn't want an individual mandate for all those 20-somethings typically too broke and too busy getting their lives started, the young healthy people who traditionally opt-out of private health insurance.

But:

---This new law is not going to establish single-payer, so it is not "socialized medicine."
---This new law does not mandate a "managed care" system of regional HMO's, so you can't accuse it of being a "governement takeover" of healthcare.
---This new law won't have Sen. Johnny Isakson's provisions for end-of-life planning (thanks to the misleading rantings and outright lies of Sarah Palin and Chuck Grassley), so you can't accuse it of establishing "death panels."
http://www.examiner.com/x-5890-Obama-Administration-Examiner~y2009m8d14-GOP-provision-for-end-of-life-counseling-dropped-from-health-care-reform
---This new law will not have a "public option" or any "medicare for all" provisions, so republicans who have favored individual mandates in the past should be able to support it....
Health bill included big Republican idea: individual mandate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100324/pl_mcclatchy/3460142

Quote"The truth is this is a Republican idea," said Linda Quick , president of the South Florida Hospital and Health care Association. She said she first heard the concept of the "individual mandate" in a Miami speech in the early 1990s by Sen. John McCain , a conservative Republican from Arizona , to counter the "Hillarycare" the Clintons were proposing.

McCain did not embrace the concept during his 2008 election campaign, but other leading Republicans did, including Tommy Thompson , secretary of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush .

Seeking to deradicalize the idea during a symposium in Orlando in September 2008 , Thompson said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."

Among the other Republicans who had embraced the idea was Mitt Romney , who as governor of Massachusetts crafted a huge reform by requiring almost all citizens to have coverage.

"Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate," Romney wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2006. "But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian."

Romney was referring to the federal law that requires everyone to be treated in emergency rooms, regardless of their ability to pay.

Double standards?  You betcha.   ::)
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Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on March 28, 2010, 11:01:18 PM
Yep, and last I checked, she wasn't a quitter.  If quitter=clever, then Palin is.

You betcha.

What does having someone else buy your clothes have to do with resigning from office?
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 11:26:17 PM
What does having someone else buy your clothes have to do with resigning from office?

The word was clever.  I used quitter as a comparison to our current Speaker of the House.  Who worked pretty hard this last year.

Unlike the quitter.

Get the correlation now?

Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on March 28, 2010, 11:32:10 PM
The word was clever.  I used quitter as a comparison to our current Speaker of the House.  Who worked pretty hard this last year.

Unlike the quitter.

Get the correlation now?

I disagree with the correlation.  Someone can work hard and accomplish things without being clever.
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 11:35:09 PM
I disagree with the correlation.  Someone can work hard and accomplish things without being clever.

We'll agree to disagree then.  You can accomplish simple things without being clever.  To accomplish great things, it's a requirement.

Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on March 29, 2010, 12:38:43 AM
We'll agree to disagree then.  You can accomplish simple things without being clever.  To accomplish great things, it's a requirement.

And we will also have to disagree on whether what N. P. has accomplished is great or merely big.
(Great in this case meaning excellent, not just large.)
 

Conan71

Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 10:29:23 PM

So Nancy Pelosi isn't as clever as Sarah Palin.

At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle.  (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: Conan71 on March 29, 2010, 08:28:17 AM
At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle.  (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)

Not like most reps don't do this

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/

swake

Quote from: Conan71 on March 29, 2010, 08:28:17 AM
At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle.  (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)

No, she's flying around on the Teabaggers' nickel, and making a lot of nickels for herself in the process.

She's selling fear and business is good.

Townsend

Quote from: swake on March 29, 2010, 08:52:06 AM

She's selling fear and business is good.


Ugh, and on the national news all the time, that shrill voice saying the craziest crap to the craziest crap believers.

Seriously, what is the republican party going to represent in the next few years?

Her speech reminded me of a scene from Omen III but worse acted and crazier mantras.