What is Going On in Arizona?

[we vs us]

First of all, why would securing our borders be stupid?
Second, when will the ineptitude of President Obama stop being compared to the ineptitude of Bush?
(a date will be fine)

Much to my chagrin and the chagrin of many others, almost none of 42's activities came with a cut-off date.  When you look at his wars, his tax cuts, his unfunded mandates, and his bailouts, as well as the incompetents with which he decided to staff the whole of the US regulatory system, unwinding the Bush presidency is going to be a long and painful process. And it was gonna be, even if we had a McCain/Palin administration in office.

[Gaspar]

Much to my chagrin and the chagrin of many others, almost none of 42's activities came with a cut-off date.  When you look at his wars, his tax cuts, his unfunded mandates, and his bailouts, as well as the incompetents with which he decided to staff the whole of the US regulatory system, unwinding the Bush presidency is going to be a long and painful process. And it was gonna be, even if we had a McCain/Palin administration in office.

I've heard estimates that the mess will last about 3 more years.

Come on Wevus, this song is really getting old.  Nate still didn't answer my questions.

[Conan71]

This is pretty off topic, but I dare say that the stimulus has thus far been effective at its main purpose, which is to prevent the onset of deflation. Despite the trillions of dollars destroyed by the market, we are still sitting at about .9% core inflation.

Really? At what point did President Obama state that was the main purpose of the porkulus?  I thought the main purpose was to create jobs and prevent people from losing their homes.

I guess that isn't working as expected so it's time to move the goal posts.  



Much as now that it looks like the top kill might work on the oil spill the Obama administration is really to claim responsibility for it.

[Conan71]

Much to my chagrin and the chagrin of many others, almost none of 42's activities came with a cut-off date.  When you look at his wars, his tax cuts, his unfunded mandates, and his bailouts, as well as the incompetents with which he decided to staff the whole of the US regulatory system, unwinding the Bush presidency is going to be a long and painful process. And it was gonna be, even if we had a McCain/Palin administration in office.

So basically we should just lower our expectations for every subsequent administration and Congress from now on since the Bush years were such a bust?

[nathanm]

Really? At what point did President Obama state that was the main purpose of the porkulus?  I thought the main purpose was to create jobs and prevent people from losing their homes.

It has also done that. It has been successful on many fronts. That you refuse to look at the information available to you does not make it nonexistent.

It's merely my personal opinion that staving off deflation was by far the most important thing done with all the money we've spent recently. The Administration would say that quantitative easing was the actual deflation prevention program. I say they all had that effect.

And Gaspar, I seem to recall typing an answer to both of your questions (and see them in the thread!)

[heironymouspasparagus]

After 19 pages, isn't this thread getting just a little threadbare?  Too many replies to keep track of.

[guido911]

After 19 pages, isn't this thread getting just a little threadbare?  Too many replies to keep track of.

Quiet Heir, we are still yelling at each other in here now.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Well, you know for a fact that I am all for that, but geez, let's get it on a new thread so I don't have to look through so many pages!  (I'm old and it is too much effort on my poor feeble old neurons to have to think that hard...)

[Townsend]

So I'm trying to find a reliable article about the border fence cancellation.  Is it 100% shut down or is it reduced?

Maybe a white picket fence?  Those are pretty.

[Red Arrow]

So I'm trying to find a reliable article about the border fence cancellation.  Is it 100% shut down or is it reduced?

Maybe a white picket fence?  Those are pretty.

Or a picket fence as constructed around colonial settlements.  Think sharpened logs.

[Townsend]

Arizona Senate passes "birther" bill

Ariz. House to vote on bill requiring presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens

How'd they do this before Oklahoma?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/14/politics/main20053936.shtml

[heironymouspasparagus]

Nathan,
Inflation is only low if you use the "new" revisionist model implemented after the 1980 election.  You remember, the one where we had "15%" inflation one week, then about 3 weeks later, we were down to about "6%".  That old Reagan magic....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Inflation-Actually-Near-10-cnbc-357695506.html?x=0

But hey, you can't make it sound good if you go with reality.  And then the 1990 revision STILL left us with over 5%.


And guido and conan have apparently both been asleep for the last 18 months (remember Rumplestiltskin??).  The economy is much better than a year and a half ago.  My company has hired more than 25,000 and the plan is to add about another 40,000 to 50,000 in the next 3 - 5 years.  And it looks like it will make it.  Not too bad for a piddly little $700 billion stimulus.  Especially when compared to the trillion and a quarter shoveled out by Baby Bush to his banker/insurance buddies that just let the slide continue for 18 months after those noble expenditures.

I just love yelling at each other....thanks for the encouragement, guido!!

[dbacks fan]

So I'm trying to find a reliable article about the border fence cancellation.  Is it 100% shut down or is it reduced?

Maybe a white picket fence?  Those are pretty.

Actually this is some of the new fencing they are installing in Nogales.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/04/16/20110416arizona-nogales-border-fence-immigration-ON.html

[Townsend]

Well at least their governor nixed the birther bill.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110419/pl_nm/us_arizona_birther

Arizona Sen. Steve Gallardo, an outspoken Democrat, said the governor realized that the bills would be bad for the state's image and had nothing to do with the challenges it faces.

"She know that these bills are not going to help with Arizona's image," Gallardo told Reuters.

"All they do is put us in the national spotlight and make us look silly. She's saying she doesn't want that to happen any longer."

Think the OK governor would feel the same?

[guido911]

Saw this on Drudge. I did not think it merited its own thread but interesting/funny still.

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.

A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-southern-arizona-seek-form-state-130257516.html