Henry's Veto on Abortion Bills Overridden--Now Law

[Townsend]

  If they are not willing to step forward, then they have no one to blame for the fall-out (in this case, having to listen to the heartbeat) then themselves.

  Yes, that is my biggest issue with abortion, women who think it's okay to go out and get pregenant because they can always just have it aborted.

1st one, I believe they can blame the rapist for a large percentage of the fallout.

2nd one, I've never heard one say "it's ok, I can just get an abortion".  Have you gotten a bunch of those?  Do you know anyone that has ever been told that?  Or have you known a woman who thinks an abortion is a form of birth control?

[swake]

I do think that a rape victim has a duty to come forward, if for no other reason then because if the person raped them, then they will most likely rape another.  If they are not willing to step forward, then they have no one to blame for the fall-out (in this case, having to listen to the heartbeat) then themselves.

That's just a plainly cruel statement. Yes, let's treat the victim as if they are at fault, that's perfect.  You obviously have never dealt with someone who was a victim of a crime like this. Sick, sick sick.

You want to take a emotionally shattered human being and rub sh!t in her face and then treat her like she's at fault. That's some really strong moral high ground you have there.

[guido911]

That's just a plainly cruel statement. Yes, let's treat the victim as if they are at fault, that's perfect.  You obviously have never dealt with someone who was a victim of a crime like this. Sick, sick sick.

You want to take a emotionally shattered human being and rub sh!t in her face and then treat her like she's at fault. That's some really strong moral high ground you have there.

Scat-tastic post from a drama queen.

[custosnox]

2nd one, I've never heard one say "it's ok, I can just get an abortion".  Have you gotten a bunch of those?  Do you know anyone that has ever been told that?  Or have you known a woman who thinks an abortion is a form of birth control?

In a sense yes.  No, they don't say that exactly, but how else can it be taken when a woman has willing, consenual sex and when she gets pregnent thinks it's okay to get an abortion?  This is what I mean by a form of birth control.  They choose to have sex, pregnancy is generally a side effect of that choice.  

That's just a plainly cruel statement. Yes, let's treat the victim as if they are at fault, that's perfect.  You obviously have never dealt with someone who was a victim of a crime like this. Sick, sick sick.

You want to take a emotionally shattered human being and rub sh!t in her face and then treat her like she's at fault. That's some really strong moral high ground you have there.

Actually I have dealt with a lot of women who have been a victim of a crime like this.  And I have always done everything I can to get them to go to the police and report it.  Usually the argument that gets them to do so is the fact that they will most likely do it to someone else.  I'm sorry, I feel that people should do what is right, including doing what they can to have a criminal brought to justice.    I suppose you have no problem with all the witnesses at the chicken hut murder not helping the police and not identifying the murder either.  Yes I know it is a horrible thing to happen to a woman, but in the end they have to make a choice, report the crime or keep it a secret.  Saying that they have to live with the choice of keeping it a secret applies not only to things such as abortion, but other things such as the rapist continuing to rape other women.  I never said that she should be treated like she is at fault for being raped, only that choosing to not report it carries its own reprocussions.

[nathanm]

I'm just going to add my voice to those who think this law is utterly idiotic. It's ineffective and pointless. I'm not going to go farther beyond that because I simply don't have the energy for it today.

[Conan71]

KRMG is saying they talked to one abortion provider.  They said no one is cancelling appointments but they are seeing more tears than usual.  I was not aware this was to go into effect immediately.  I think this piles on more grief to someone faced with this horrible decision. 

[Cats Cats Cats]

I was not aware this was to go into effect immediately.  I think this piles on more grief to someone faced with this horrible decision. 

Not really, they do it because its fun.  At least that is what the legislature thinks.

[guido911]

I think this piles on more grief to someone faced with making this horrible decision. 

fify. "Faced with" makes it sound like women have no other alternative.

[shadows]

fify. "Faced with" makes it sound like women have no other alternative.

The right to live and reproduce should never be construed to be delegated to mortals who have came through the same process that was established by a master creator or though the millions of years needed for Darwin's theories.
The functions of the female body is constructed grossly different to that of the  male.  It's purpose regardless of species, is the only machine available to maintain each species.  In the studies of sexuality among the two it is  quite evident that each is constructed to maintain their species of which they are a part of.

Forced or legislated abortion, by consent or otherwise, is merely a slap against nature or any form of creation which will lead to the genocide of the species.  In our ignorance of the assignment of life to living organisms, we are discarding formed bodies that could have preformed for the society that struggles for knowledge of our existence.

In the beginning some dinosaurs reproduced by eggs and some of the sea creatures go to the land and reproduce by eggs.  The human species is in a locked in reproduction cycle of which its only outlet is through abortion once the fetus begins to form.  The answer could be in the morning after pill.  In this struggle for existence it seems non productive to terminate it before it has a developing mind assigned to a body subject to the rules of nature.   

       
 

[jamesrage]

You're a woman, you get raped and impregnated.  You have to make the horrible choice one way or another and then you're forced to listen to the heartbeat and the doctor describe it.

I do not believe in punishing someone for the sins of the father.Should we punish you for something a relative in your family did?

You're a woman and your fetus is going to kill you so you have to abort it to save your life but first you have to listen to the heartbeat and the doctor describe it to you.

How long does it take to listen to a heartbeat and doctor describe something to you? Besides if it was actual an emergency she would be in the hospital and a doctor telling her that giving vaginal birth or caesarean section during any point of the pregnancy could kill her.

You're a woman and the baby is horribly malformed and has a 0% chance of surviving to term.  Then you have to listen to the heartbeat and the description of the fetus.

Then it shouldn't matter if you carry it to term.Seeing how the baby is going to be dead anyways

You're a little girl and you've been impregnated by a family member so the decision has been made to abort the fetus but first, as a 13 year old girl, you have to listen to the heart beat and listen to the doctor describe the fetus.

Again should we punish you for something a relative of yours did?




It should never be easy to take a innocent human life and there should be all kinds of obstacle in the way that prevent someone from taking an innocent human life.Until Roe V wade is overturned there should be all kinds of laws to deter abortions.

[Townsend]

Woops, I reponded to someone from skip-to-my-loo land.  Forget I entered into this.

[Breadburner]

Wait until you see the rise in std's from over the counter Plan B.......Its the new form of birth-control.....

[SXSW]

Wait until you see the rise in std's from over the counter Plan B.......Its the new form of birth-control.....

Is Plan B not already over-the-counter?  I would think that could go a long way to prevent abortions.  Simply take the medication after unprotected sex, or if you were raped, and hopefully that does the trick.  I don't like this new law and will be glad when it's ruled unconstitutional, but it's really not that different than what already happens.  You have to get an ultrasound before an abortion anyway and really how can they enforce the doctor describing it?  They can't so I doubt this really changes anything. 

[custosnox]

Is Plan B not already over-the-counter?  I would think that could go a long way to prevent abortions.  Simply take the medication after unprotected sex, or if you were raped, and hopefully that does the trick.  I don't like this new law and will be glad when it's ruled unconstitutional, but it's really not that different than what already happens.  You have to get an ultrasound before an abortion anyway and really how can they enforce the doctor describing it?  They can't so I doubt this really changes anything. 

It also doesn't say how the Dr. has to describe it.  They could say "It's an embreyo and has eyes" and be covered.  So yeah, I think that's a pretty valid point there.

[Townsend]

Wait until you see the rise in std's from over the counter Plan B.......Its the new form of birth-control.....

There's no over the counter plan B in Oklahoma.  That was taken away too.  It has to be prescribed.