Contessa Brewer = Idiot

[azbadpuppy]

And then there's the Arkansas recruiter shooting (1 dead):
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/arkansas.recruiter.shooting/

Oh, and who exactly died? How about 14 at Fort Hood. Thanks for the softball.

My apologies- I didn't realize Ft. Hood was one of your 4.

That was a horrible massacre, and was carried out by a U.S. born citizen from Virginia who was a practicing Muslim.

I'm not making light of any terrorist attack- my point being rather that there is not any one religious, racial or national group you can point a finger at.

Again, what does a domestic terrorist look like?

[Breadburner]

It's funny to watch the libby's in this thread bring their butter knives to a gun fight.....

[guido911]

My apologies- I didn't realize Ft. Hood was one of your 4.

That was a horrible massacre, and was carried out by a U.S. born citizen from Virginia who was a practicing Muslim.

I'm not making light of any terrorist attack- my point being rather that there is not any one religious, racial or national group you can point a finger at.

Again, what does a domestic terrorist look like?

I have no idea what a "domestic terrorist" looks like. Unfortunately, we do know what nearly all Islamic terrorists look like (thus far). Still, the point in this thread (before it got taken over by ideology-yes I'm guilty too) was the media's and certain politician's hopes that is was an American nutjob. However, what I have seen are folks on both sides comparing the acts of the 9/11 terrorists, which resulted in thousands dead and injured, billions in property damage, at least one war, and the war on terror, to certain acts by very fringe elements of both the right and left. Just curious, after the OKC bombing, was a war on terror declared by Clinton?

[Red Arrow]

So if you're keeping score over the last several months, (or more accurately, since the beginning of the Obama administration) the 'right-wing nut jobs' are actually winning.

That type of stereotyping deserves a reprimand.  It sounds like you are saying that foreign terrorists are inept compared to our homegrown terrorists. Do you think foreign terrorists are stupid?

Shame on you.

[azbadpuppy]

I have no idea what a "domestic terrorist" looks like. Unfortunately, we do know what nearly all Islamic terrorists look like (thus far). Still, the point in this thread (before it got taken over by ideology-yes I'm guilty too) was the media's and certain politician's hopes that is was an American nutjob. However, what I have seen are folks on both sides comparing the acts of the 9/11 terrorists, which resulted in thousands dead and injured, billions in property damage, at least one war, and the war on terror, to certain acts by very fringe elements of both the right and left. Just curious, after the OKC bombing, was a war on terror declared by Clinton?

I don't think there can be any 'comparison' to 9/11, and I hope it stays that way.

But I guess my point was that this attempted act of terror, along with many other successful acts, were carried out by American nutjobs!

Who should Clinton have declared war on? The same could have been asked for Bush. Usually when declaring war it is advantageous to know exactly who it is you are fighting and why.

[custosnox]

I have no idea what a "domestic terrorist" looks like. Unfortunately, we do know what nearly all Islamic terrorists look like (thus far).

Yep, because there is no way an Islamic extremist can be blue eyed, blonde haired and light skin.  Oh wait....

[Red Arrow]

Usually when declaring war it is advantageous to know exactly who it is you are fighting and why.

I believe we know pretty much who.  We probably disagree with them on why.  The problem is where.  Unlike the British during our Revolutionary War, the modern terrorists, many of which have a particular claimed religious affiliation, don't wear red coats and march in columns.  The fact that there are other groups that use violence doesn't diminish the fact that those with a claimed religious affiliation use violence.  Ignoring them would be similar to ignoring either Germany or Japan during WWII. (Referring to the use of violence, not claimed religious affiliation.)

[Red Arrow]

Yep, because there is no way an Islamic extremist can be blue eyed, blonde haired and light skin.  Oh wait....

Dyed hair, bleached skin, cosmetic surgery, colored contact lenses.

Statistics and probability don't guarantee anything but they give you a better chance of being correct. 

If you cannot believe that, you had better find a big uncivilized space and become a hunter gatherer.  Oops, even they relied on something other than pure chance to survive.

[azbadpuppy]

The fact that there are other groups that use violence doesn't diminish the fact that those with a claimed religious affiliation use violence.

The fact that there are Christians who use violence doesn't diminish the fact that there are muslims who use violence? Ok... I agree.

Also, I don't think we should be ignoring anyone who attacks and kills US citizens for the sake of religious convictions, regardless of the religion.

[Conan71]

That type of stereotyping deserves a reprimand.  It sounds like you are saying that foreign terrorists are inept compared to our homegrown terrorists. Do you think foreign terrorists are stupid?

Shame on you.

You just made my day...

[Conan71]

The Austin IRS attack.

The Holocaust Memorial shooting.

The Wichita Kansas Anti-abortion shooting.

People died in each one of those domestic terror attacks. So if you're keeping score over the last several months, (or more accurately, since the beginning of the Obama administration) the 'right-wing nut jobs' are actually winning.

So then are school shootings terrorist attacks?  It's usually disaffected losers singling out soc's, so that's sending a message of terror to the snobs, yes?

I agree terrorism doesn't necessarily have to come from non-citizens, but I think the left has really stretched to call these incidents you mentioned "terrorist" attacks.  We can split hairs all we like but too much of this has been to try and squarely paste the perpetrators of these unrelated crimes as Tea Partiers or ultra right wing conservatives.

[Cats Cats Cats]

So then are school shootings terrorist attacks?  It's usually disaffected losers singling out soc's, so that's sending a message of terror to the snobs, yes?

I agree terrorism doesn't necessarily have to come from non-citizens, but I think the left has really stretched to call these incidents you mentioned "terrorist" attacks.  We can split hairs all we like but too much of this has been to try and squarely paste the perpetrators of these unrelated crimes as Tea Partiers or ultra right wing conservatives.

Uhhh...  Really.  You are questioning flying a plane into a government building as a terrorist attack?  Just as long as it isn't a financial building in NYC?