Open Carry, HB3354, Passes In Oklahoma

[dbacks fan]

Arizona has had an open carry law for longer than I have been around, and that will be 47 years in July, and I have been living in AZ since May of '98.  I spent the first three years here working for a company doing voice and data cabling installs, and have worked in all areas of the valley and all over the state doing installs and have come into contact with several hundred people in businesses, and people on job sites from all different trades and I can honestly say that I have only met one person who openly carried a gun.(And it was a very nice Colt .45 five shot revolver) The only other time I have come across people that have weapons in there possesion have been on camping trips to the lakes, or camping trips in forrest country, and then it was for protecion from wildlife, and before anyone cracks a comment in the years that I have lived here there have been people in the Tucson area attacked by mountain lions, bobcats and mountain lions northeast of Phoenix, and we have a good population of bears and coyotes. The former Mrs. Dback came across a mountain lion in the Troon area about 1/2 mile from the Four Seasons Resort when she had her dog walking and pet sitting service, and she then began to think about getting a gun and training for protection.

So I think you may have people exercising their right with this law, but I would not be worried about it.

[custosnox]

Arizona has had an open carry law for longer than I have been around, and that will be 47 years in July, and I have been living in AZ since May of '98.  I spent the first three years here working for a company doing voice and data cabling installs, and have worked in all areas of the valley and all over the state doing installs and have come into contact with several hundred people in businesses, and people on job sites from all different trades and I can honestly say that I have only met one person who openly carried a gun.(And it was a very nice Colt .45 five shot revolver) The only other time I have come across people that have weapons in there possesion have been on camping trips to the lakes, or camping trips in forrest country, and then it was for protecion from wildlife, and before anyone cracks a comment in the years that I have lived here there have been people in the Tucson area attacked by mountain lions, bobcats and mountain lions northeast of Phoenix, and we have a good population of bears and coyotes. The former Mrs. Dback came across a mountain lion in the Troon area about 1/2 mile from the Four Seasons Resort when she had her dog walking and pet sitting service, and she then began to think about getting a gun and training for protection.

So I think you may have people exercising their right with this law, but I would not be worried about it.

I think we will see a surge in it once it goes into effect, then after the new wears off it will drop dramatically.

[dbacks fan]

I think we will see a surge in it once it goes into effect, then after the new wears off it will drop dramatically.

Exactly.

[jamesrage]

Via email:

"Open Carry

The Oklahoma House today, May 4, passed HB3354, which has "open carry" as a provision.　 The vote was 61 Yeas, 37 Nays, with 3 excused.
　
This bill originated in the House under he authorship of Rex Duncan (R).　 In Duncan's bill it provided for retaining the confidentiality of SDA license holders.　 When it was sent to the Senate where it was authored by Sen. Anthony Sykes to Include current SDA law amended by striking "concealed" throughout the bill.  This would　permit "open carry."`　 It was passed in the Senate on April 21 by a vote of 33 Yea, 13 Nay, and was returned to the House.
　
It is not known if Gov. Henry will sign or veto this bill.　 Should he veto it, an override may be difficult considering the final vote in the House."

What is interesting is most people I know with an SDA (conceal-carry permit) license do not favor open carry, especially some people who have had great influence on existing firearms laws.  I don't see a lot of people resorting to open carry due to this bill.  There's good reasons for keeping a firearm concealed.

I think its amusing that we have to pass laws for something we have a constitutional right to do. What next, a law saying you can go to any church you want to or a law saying you can criticize a politician?

[Conan71]

I cannot find this in print but KRMG was reporting a couple of hours ago this has passed a (I believe Senate and not House) 8-1 and it's expected it would have full chamber approval.  With a Republican governor, it's being speculated this law could pass.  I still think it's a bad idea.

I said I'd leave the Pseudoephedrine topic alone but it brought to mind the point that why should people have to be inconvenienced and to have the hardship of the expense and time out for a 4-8 hour course for a conceal carry license to be able to exercise a Constitutionally-given and protected right?  That's punishing law-abiding citizens and has nothing to do with reducing gun violence.

I'd love to see the spin on this one of how it's any different than restricting access to PE.  Same premise: the idea is to restrict access to those who should only be able to legally obtain and use it rather than those who would put it to nefarious means.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I won't carry openly...it just shows the bad guys who the first target should be.  I would rather keep them guessing.

[Gaspar]

The good thing about Conceal and Carry is that it encourages you to keep your weight under control.

Only a few of you will get that.

[Conan71]

The good thing about Conceal and Carry is that it encourages you to keep your weight under control.

Only a few of you will get that.

Dunlop's disease and waste band carry don't go well together.

[Gaspar]

Dunlop's disease and waste band carry don't go well together.

+1

Uncle Mikes disease.

[heironymouspasparagus]

+1

Uncle Mikes disease.

I have had to buy one size smaller waist band just to keep the .45 auto and 6 extra clips from dragging the pants down - something NO ONE wants to experience....

[nathanm]

I cannot find this in print but KRMG was reporting a couple of hours ago this has passed a (I believe Senate and not House) 8-1 and it's expected it would have full chamber approval.  With a Republican governor, it's being speculated this law could pass.  I still think it's a bad idea.

I said I'd leave the Pseudoephedrine topic alone but it brought to mind the point that why should people have to be inconvenienced and to have the hardship of the expense and time out for a 4-8 hour course for a conceal carry license to be able to exercise a Constitutionally-given and protected right?  That's punishing law-abiding citizens and has nothing to do with reducing gun violence.

Owning a gun is constitutionally protected. Carrying a concealed weapon is not. Don't look at me, look at the 9 fine folks on the US Supreme Court.

[custosnox]

The good thing about Conceal and Carry is that it encourages you to keep your weight under control.

Only a few of you will get that.

My problem with waistband carry is that I started to notice that all of my jeans are developing holes right where the gun puts pressure against them.  Makes me wish I could afford to step down to something that makes more sense to conceal carry than a a desert eagle.

[Conan71]

Along those lines.  Has smokeless tobacco sales nearly dried up?  You never see a Skoal ring in a back or front pocket anymore.

[Red Arrow]

Along those lines.  Has smokeless tobacco sales nearly dried up?  You never see a Skoal ring in a back or front pocket anymore.

I still see them occasionally.  I think it may still be more common where there is a place to spit.

[Conan71]

Yeah, for some reason cowboys don't want to be known as "swallowers"