Neighbour's tree question

[sauerkraut]

If you're buying gas at QT, Murphy's or any place where the price of gas is the same, then you're getting up to 10% Ethanol anyway.

That's correct, but E-85 is 85% ethonal and 15% gasoline and only new cars can use it. When I buy pure gasoline my fuel mileage per gallon increases.

[Hoss]

Flex fuel is not that great since Ethonal has less bang per gallon than gasoline, sure it's cheaper, but your gas mileage drops too. What I'd like to see is natural gas vehicles, it burns clean and has more power than gasoline.

CNG doesn't burn clean.  It burns cleanER, but by no means clean.  Oil, per year, produces about 10500 metric tons of CO2.  Natural gas?  About half that.  So saying it's clean is a misnomer.  It's cleanER.

[Hoss]

That's correct, but E-85 is 85% ethonal and 15% gasoline and only new cars can use it. When I buy pure gasoline my fuel mileage per gallon increases.

If you still drive a tank, I guarantee you mine still gets better gas mileage.

[nathanm]

That's correct, but E-85 is 85% ethonal and 15% gasoline and only new cars can use it. When I buy pure gasoline my fuel mileage per gallon increases.

I've found that the mileage hit from E10 depends largely on the particular vehicle. With my '91 Honda Accord (with the 110hp engine, not the 120 in the EX) there is no difference whatsoever. The 99 Escort ZX2 gets ever so slightly worse mileage. My SO's V6 Explorer, on the other hand, actually does take a significant hit from E10. Almost 15% less, in fact.

Ethanol really pisses me off, though. It's subsidized through farm subsidies, drives up the price of corn (which is in and of itself not an altogether bad thing) and is grown with oil based fertilizer. It doesn't save much, if any oil, but I guess it makes people feel better. There are much better ethanol feedstocks (hemp and sugar cane and/or beets are both pretty decent and use much less fertilizer), but heaven forbid we use them.

[sauerkraut]

I've found that the mileage hit from E10 depends largely on the particular vehicle. With my '91 Honda Accord (with the 110hp engine, not the 120 in the EX) there is no difference whatsoever. The 99 Escort ZX2 gets ever so slightly worse mileage. My SO's V6 Explorer, on the other hand, actually does take a significant hit from E10. Almost 15% less, in fact.

Ethanol really pisses me off, though. It's subsidized through farm subsidies, drives up the price of corn (which is in and of itself not an altogether bad thing) and is grown with oil based fertilizer. It doesn't save much, if any oil, but I guess it makes people feel better. There are much better ethanol feedstocks (hemp and sugar cane and/or beets are both pretty decent and use much less fertilizer), but heaven forbid we use them.

That's interesting  so it seems the larger the vehicle the more of  hit you take with eithonal on fuel mileage- Indeed, it's not wise to use food sourcs as motor fuel, besides it still takes oil to make E-85,  and like you said it all has to be subsized by the government to work otherwise ethonal would be a flop in the free market place. Why not have flex fuel vehicles that burn natural gas & gasoline instead of gasoline &  E-85? We really should try and start phase in another alt. fuel source and E-85 is not it,  it's a joke. They had some talk of running Semi-trucks on natural gas but then it died out. Diesel fuel is expensive and it's in higher demand than gasoline in the world market, if they could run big rigs on natural gas it'll save alot of money.. natural gas is about $1.00 a gallon when compaired to gasoline, or so they say..

[Hoss]

That's correct, but E-85 is 85% ethonal and 15% gasoline and only new cars can use it. When I buy pure gasoline my fuel mileage per gallon increases.

WRONG.  Only cars designated as FlexFuel cars can use it.  Don't misrepresent.  You got into the habit of that when you weren't living here.  I still don't know that you are.

[sauerkraut]

WRONG.  Only cars designated as FlexFuel cars can use it.  Don't misrepresent.  You got into the habit of that when you weren't living here.  I still don't know that you are.

That's what I said only NEW cars can use E-85 and since 2008 or so all new vehicles are flex~fuel. That's ok if  you don't  know who I am, I like it that way anyhow, -I don't know nothing about you so it works out perfect. 

[Townsend]

since 2008 or so all new vehicles are flex~fuel.

Wrong again

[Hoss]

That's what I said only NEW cars can use E-85 and since 2008 or so all new vehicles are flex~fuel. That's ok if  you don't  know who I am, I like it that way anyhow, -I don't know nothing about you so it works out perfect. 

You're still wrong.  You obviously don't do enough reading while at the library.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Well I think your car will still run on E85.  I think it just tears up all the seals eventually.

[Hoss]

Well I think your car will still run on E85.  I think it just tears up all the seals eventually.

And aluminum and magnesium parts.

It won't run well on a naturally aspirated engine (i.e. carbureted)

[dbacks fan]

I though we were talking about trees?   

[HoneySuckle]

What on earth does all of this have to do with my neighbour's tree?

I am now waiting for her to remove the main offending branch, which she claimed she would call a tree service about.  I guess they figured out standing on chairs and trying to reach it would be foolhardy

I did tell her we would PAY for the removal, but that lady is scared stiff I take off more branches than she would like, or they cut it too low or whatever.  She wants control...old hag

[Townsend]

What on earth does all of this have to do with my neighbour's tree?

I guess you could use E85 on the tree and then yank it out of there using Sauerbraten's car.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Will the tree hit your house when it falls over?
Can you get up there to cut it at the property line yourself?  (And would that help the threat any?)

I have great neighbors (mostly).  They are glad to let me cut their trees.  So am in process.  Need a new chainsaw, though.