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Started by sgrizzle, May 20, 2010, 01:57:01 PM

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custosnox

of course, I was looking at the ordinances instead of the charter (Mental note, click the link that says "charter" above the ordinances next time).  So it would take a pitition of 3342 signatures to get the process started.  How many are you up to there tf?

Conan71

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Quote from: tulsa_fan on May 21, 2010, 01:59:32 PM
I have a petition that is already being circulated.  Now that the citizens can see if this isn't just about "greedy police" maybe its time to close the deal and get the recall going.  If nothing else, I hope it would send a message to DB.  Of course, I'm naive enough to believe he wants to be a good mayor, each day that passes, I'm proven wrong.  PM me, I'd be happy to mail you a copy for you to sign and others if interested.  One of these days I'll be collecting signatures at the driller's game.  Wish I'd had it at Bedlam, the mayor was just a few rows behind me, how funny would that have been to be collecting signatures and come upon him.   I feel sorry for him, but I can't let that stop me for pursuing change before its too late.

Feel sorry for him?  Didn't we have a warning of how Mayor Bartlet (sic) conducted his fiscal affairs via his divorce documents which were aired during the campaign?  Why did we think he'd run the city any different than his personal finances.  He's used to being able to spend all he likes then hit the well for a little more.

I'm also tired of his deft demeanor. "I'm not quite sure of that..." seems to be his standard response.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

tulsa_fan

I guess he comes across as such as whimp, I feel badly for him.  People who are bully, strong willed, I can get pissed at them.  I don't know why I just keep thinking he is in over his head and I bet he wishes he had a way out.  I am finally believing he is a follower and is being driven by others, but he is fully aware of what he is doing and doesn't care.  Trust me, I'm not a very good person to piss off.  :) 

I actually laughed about the Wade/Ms. Bartlett deal, I confronted Bartlett's daughter once and mentioned she might want to keep her voice down in public places while discussing politics, not everyone things her dad is so wonderful (she had been trash talking the FOP and the police) well, Victoria piped up and spouted things that weren't true.  I just told her I didn't come over to intrude on their family dinner, I just asked they be more respectful of people around them in the future.  Victoria likes to run her mouth but is drinking the same koolaid as DB.  DB didn't say a word.  That was wise of him, I would have wiped the table with him, I can actually argue with him, because I know fact and not the spin he puts in the media.

Anyway, long response to why I feel sorry for him . . . ha ha
 

tulsa_fan

Where would i verify this?  His budget was 1.1 million right?  So he's saying without the extra money the mayor's office will only spend roughly, $900,000?  This came from kotv.com:

Even with the new spending money, the mayor's office would be taking a 9.2% cut for the year, while other departments averaged 8.7%.

Without new spending money, the mayor's office will take an 18.6% cut - more than twice as much as everyone else.


From what I can understand they spent all 1.1 million and needed another 120k, which is total BS from what he said above. 
 

tulsa_fan

so, exciting reading for a friday night, anyone know what a "personal services account" means? ?  Here for February shows the Mayors office overspent its estimate by 20k

Fund            estimate            actual      over/est       cumulated (over)
MAYOR         $76,417             $97,885    ($21,468)     ($55,753)                           February
MAYOR         $76,417             $96,674    ($20,257)     ($34,285)                           January
MAYOR         $76,417             $90,554    ($14,137)     ($14,027)                           December
MAYOR         $76,417             $70,781     $5,636        $110                                  November
MAYOR         $82,167             $78,246     $3,921        ($5,527)                             October

Looks to be the new mayor has spent significantly more per month than the previous mayor, even with several less staff members . . . also looks to me like KT lived within her budget, she left him with $110 credit when he took office. 

Remind me why the newspaper doesn't report this kind of stuff?
 

sgrizzle

Quote from: tulsa_fan on May 21, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
so, exciting reading for a friday night, anyone know what a "personal services account" means? ?  Here for February shows the Mayors office overspent its estimate by 20k

Fund            estimate            actual      over/est       cumulated (over)
MAYOR         $76,417             $97,885    ($21,468)     ($55,753)                           February
MAYOR         $76,417             $96,674    ($20,257)     ($34,285)                           January
MAYOR         $76,417             $90,554    ($14,137)     ($14,027)                           December
MAYOR         $76,417             $70,781     $5,636        $110                                  November
MAYOR         $82,167             $78,246     $3,921        ($5,527)                             October

Looks to be the new mayor has spent significantly more per month than the previous mayor, even with several less staff members . . . also looks to me like KT lived within her budget, she left him with $110 credit when he took office. 

Remind me why the newspaper doesn't report this kind of stuff?

They did report he might open a fireworks stand to raise money.

Didn't they endorse him?

shadows

Quote from: sgrizzle on May 22, 2010, 02:19:22 PM
They did report he might open a fireworks stand to raise money.

Didn't they endorse him?

Sale of firework within city is prohibited by ordnance so city sales taxes would not be collected on out of city sale.  Still one might say he has plenty of fire works going off every day.   
;D
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

Townsend

I'm hearing rumors of pay-to-park on the downtown streets until 8pm and controlled by American parking.  Is there truth to this?

Townsend

Ah, nevermind.  It's true.  Super

waterboy

Talk about buzzkill. Is there any limit to the depth of poor decisionmaking this city is capable of?

nathanm

Isn't that nice. Is the private company also going to be maintaining the streets, or are we once again privatizing income and socializing costs?

The price increase is the only part of this I don't find ridiculous. I buy the argument that it's necessary to prevent people from parking at a meter all day. I don't see the good in either privatizing the parking or extending the hours.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

godboko71

I have a question based on an assumption. How is letting American parking manage the meters and taking a cut cheaper then managing them ourselves? If using this private company is cheaper I want to know why we aren't more effective.

The price increase I don't care about, but the idea street parking is now going to make a private company money bothers me to an extent.
Thank you,
Robert Town

custosnox

I also want to know what a private company can do to enforce this. 

cynical

It is absolutely not cheaper, but that doesn't matter.  Outsourcing looks good whether it delivers the goods or not.  A great many of the outsourcing deals we've seen in private enterprise cost more than they save, but shareholders don't dig that deep.  Why do you think that the health insurance industry feared the public option so much?  It is because they can't compete with it in terms of price or service.  But ideology trumps all.

Most of this was not only predictable but was predicted before the city elections.  Tulsans vote for members of the oligarchy, not that I would ever suggest anyone vote for a vacuous grandstander like Chris Medlock.  But aside from Medlock there were other, smarter options.  Tulsa voters chose Dewey Bartlett and instead got Terry Simonson.  

Quote from: godboko71 on May 23, 2010, 11:37:51 PM
I have a question based on an assumption. How is letting American parking manage the meters and taking a cut cheaper then managing them ourselves? If using this private company is cheaper I want to know why we aren't more effective.

The price increase I don't care about, but the idea street parking is now going to make a private company money bothers me to an extent.
 

sgrizzle

Quote from: godboko71 on May 23, 2010, 11:37:51 PM
I have a question based on an assumption. How is letting American parking manage the meters and taking a cut cheaper then managing them ourselves? If using this private company is cheaper I want to know why we aren't more effective.

The price increase I don't care about, but the idea street parking is now going to make a private company money bothers me to an extent.

A private company would actually replace the batteries in the meters.

P.S. Free parking next to the PAC directly across the street from City Hall.