Honda Accord 2011 vs Toyota Camry 2011

[sauerkraut]

The 1960 car that got 65 miles per gallon was called the big Midget and it costed around $950.00 with a top speed of 70mph. There are pro's and cons of the old cars, one thing they did not have was a troublesome "check engine" light and things like that.. Todays cars have  02 sensors, MAP sensors, crankshaft sensor and all the rest of the expensive sensors and expensive dignostic equipment to dig up codes, The fuel pumps today cost $200.00 and are a bear to install, on old cars they costed $15.00 and took 10 minutes to install. Tune ups are no big deal on old cars with  easy to reach plugs & plug wires, in the 1970's the cars all had electronic spark that did away with the troublesome points.. The one thing that I would like to see  is  cars running on natural gas- I dunno why they won't go that way, instead they got those flex fuel vehicles to run on ethonol and gasoline. Natural gas has alot of good postive things, it's cheap about $1.00 a gallon, it burns clean so plugs last longer, you would be able to get attachments to refuel in your home if you got natural gas in your house. They would need to set up natural gas stations so drivers can re-fuel away from home. We have huge supplies of natural gas so we won't have to keep importing our motor fuel. I strongly would support running cars on natural gas.

[Hoss]

The 1960 car that got 65 miles per gallon was called the big Midget and it costed around $950.00 with a top speed of 70mph. There are pro's and cons of the old cars, one thing they did not have was a troublesome "check engine" light and things like that.. Todays cars have  02 sensors, MAP sensors, crankshaft sensor and all the rest of the expensive sensors and expensive dignostic equipment to dig up codes, The fuel pumps today cost $200.00 and are a bear to install, on old cars they costed $15.00 and took 10 minutes to install. Tune ups are no big deal on old cars with  easy to reach plugs & plug wires, in the 1970's the cars all had electronic spark that did away with the troublesome points.. The one thing that I would like to see  is  cars running on natural gas- I dunno why they won't go that way, instead they got those flex fuel vehicles to run on ethonol and gasoline. Natural gas has alot of good postive things, it's cheap about $1.00 a gallon, it burns clean so plugs last longer, you would be able to get attachments to refuel in your home if you got natural gas in your house. They would need to set up natural gas stations so drivers can re-fuel away from home. We have huge supplies of natural gas so we won't have to keep importing our motor fuel. I strongly would support running cars on natural gas.

One of our biggest suppliers of natural gas posts on this forum as cooked cabb....oh, nevermind.

[HoneySuckle]

So the big car sales weekend came and went while I was in Austin.

I got two emails from Toyota, and one from the Honda dealer all telling me that these incentives are ending on June 1st.  Couldn't do anything about that seeing that I was away and having fun!

Do you all think there will be less incentives during summer for car buyers?  I was reading on this site about car deals:

http://www.realcartips.com/car-incentives/best-car-deals.shtml

[Townsend]

So the big car sales weekend came and went while I was in Austin.

I got two emails from Toyota, and one from the Honda dealer all telling me that these incentives are ending on June 1st.  Couldn't do anything about that seeing that I was away and having fun!

Do you all think there will be less incentives during summer for car buyers?  I was reading on this site about car deals:

http://www.realcartips.com/car-incentives/best-car-deals.shtml

2011 model years are starting to show.

Incentives tend to increase as the year progresses.  Only thing is you have to time it right so that you can still find what you want before it's gone.

They sent those emails because nothing closes a deal like "fear of loss".

[sauerkraut]

When it comes to buying a new vehicle, sometimes the best deals can be had in late summer to early fall when the new models come out, the dealers want to clear their lots of  the old 2010 models to make room for the new 2011 vehicles. They are wheelin' & dealin' then...  

[Hoss]

When it comes to buying a new vehicle, sometimes the best deals can be had in late summer to early fall when the new models come out, the dealers want to clear their lots of  the old 2010 models to make room for the new 2011 vehicles. They are wheelin' & dealin' then...  

New models come out in June now.

[HoneySuckle]

The Toyota 2011 cars have been out since April from what I gathered.

Hondas are still dealing 2010's.

Will go back and take a look at both Honda and Toyota maybe on Friday and see what my second time around tells me.

I think the dealers hate that I am not a compulsive/impulsive buyer

[buckeye]

The incentives will be back, don't worry about that.  Bide your time.

The dealers may hate it, but not nearly as much as they hate not making a sale at all!  Besides, you can't care what they think.  They may be friendly, but they're certainly not your friends.  Their only desires have to do with your money!  And that's ok, too as long as everybody's on the same page.

If you can stand it, leave color off your list of requirements.  You might -pretend- that you have to have a certain color if it gets you leverage with the salesman, however...

[HoneySuckle]

The incentives will be back, don't worry about that.  Bide your time.

The dealers may hate it, but not nearly as much as they hate not making a sale at all!  Besides, you can't care what they think.  They may be friendly, but they're certainly not your friends.  Their only desires have to do with your money!  And that's ok, too as long as everybody's on the same page.

If you can stand it, leave color off your list of requirements.  You might -pretend- that you have to have a certain color if it gets you leverage with the salesman, however...

Good point about the colour!


A friend of mine got her car about a month ago, and the first thing she said was "my salesman was so FRIENDLY, go to him!"  Hell, aren't they all?    They are trying to sell you a car.

Thanks.  I am taking my time even thoughthese salesmen are trying to make me think I will lose the incentives if I wait too long...like another couple of weeks.

[heironymouspasparagus]

The Midget isn't a car.  It is a riding lawn mower without blades....barely.

Definitely use color.  If they have one, say your heart was set on another.  Then pressure.  (Probably won't work, but it will make you feel better for having tried.)

[buckeye]

http://www.kingmidgetcarclub.org/ (for information's sake)

Yeah.  Not a car.

[nathanm]

Thanks.  I am taking my time even thoughthese salesmen are trying to make me think I will lose the incentives if I wait too long...like another couple of weeks.

The current incentives may well expire (check edmunds, they have a list of factory to dealer and factory to consumer incentives and their effective dates), but if you're in no hurry, you can wait around for the next time the car company feels the need to push hard for sales.

A lot of people swear by the method of figuring out exactly what you want, emailing a bunch of dealers offering invoice plus the destination charge minus all the incentives and holdback plus $500 and having whoever is willing to do the deal special order the car. They get to make $500 (plus the other manufacturer money we don't know about) for a half hour's work. The key with this method is to have your financing lined up, whether by asking a friendly finance manager (hello creditboards.com!) to see if you really qualify for the manufacturer's teaser rates or by shopping around at a few banks and/or credit unions.

Dealers have every incentive to screw you on the financing, so its best to at least have another offer in hand.

[HoneySuckle]

The current incentives may well expire (check edmunds, they have a list of factory to dealer and factory to consumer incentives and their effective dates), but if you're in no hurry, you can wait around for the next time the car company feels the need to push hard for sales.

A lot of people swear by the method of figuring out exactly what you want, emailing a bunch of dealers offering invoice plus the destination charge minus all the incentives and holdback plus $500 and having whoever is willing to do the deal special order the car. They get to make $500 (plus the other manufacturer money we don't know about) for a half hour's work. The key with this method is to have your financing lined up, whether by asking a friendly finance manager (hello creditboards.com!) to see if you really qualify for the manufacturer's teaser rates or by shopping around at a few banks and/or credit unions.

Dealers have every incentive to screw you on the financing, so its best to at least have another offer in hand.

Do you think the incentives and 0% interest for 5 years that is being offered by Toyota's dealer is bad?  I was just wondering.  I think Honda was 2.(% but I may be wrong.

[Red Arrow]

You will generally not get as good a "price" on a car financed at 0% as you could on a car financed with interest.  They have to get their money somewhere in the transaction.  Try to look at the total package and not just one or two really attractive details.  What may be attractive to you in terms of price or cash flow may not be attractive to someone else so they put a lot of choices out there.

[sauerkraut]

Back in the 1970's they had books that told ya how to get the best deal and find out what the dealer really paid for his models, and how to turn the tables on the dealer- it's all like a game according to the authors.. The idea mentioned above about pretending to want a certain color is worth a try. As for colors if you can get a standard plain color like white, black or pure red  those colors are the easyest to match when the car gets older-in fact I had a white car long ago  and to touch up nicks and scratchs a can of white 88 cent spray paint from Big Lots matched perfectly. About that midget car the one I seen on that 1960 game show looked a bit bigger, but it's close to what those posted links showed. The top speed is 60-70 mph, they do look like they would be fun to drive.