Illegals Leaving Arizona

[guido911]

Looks like it's because of the new law:

http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/28/schools-immigrant-families-leaving-arizona-because-of-new-immigration-law/

[nathanm]

It's Arizona's loss.

[guido911]

It's Arizona's loss.

I'm sure Arizonans will miss the kidnappings, rapes, murders, and general freeloading illegals brought to their state. 

Comb your hair!

[azbadpuppy]

I'm sure Arizonans will miss the kidnappings, rapes, murders, and general freeloading illegals brought to their state. 

Completely untrue. But people like you will keep on believing the fear mongering and hate speech that continues to spew from the usual suspects...

From the Wall Street Journal, a conservative publication:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704113504575264432463469618.html


In Phoenix, police spokesman Trent Crump said, "Despite all the hype, in every single reportable crime category, we're significantly down." Mr. Crump said Phoenix's most recent data for 2010 indicated still lower crime. For the first quarter of 2010, violent crime was down 17% overall in the city, while homicides were down 38% and robberies 27%, compared with the same period in 2009.

Arizona's major cities all registered declines. A perceived rise in crime is one reason often cited by proponents of a new law intended to crack down on illegal immigration. The number of kidnappings reported in Phoenix, which hit 368 in 2008, was also down, though police officials didn't have exact figures.


The Arizona Republic has also recently reported that the AZ border towns are seeing their lowest violent crime rates in a decade.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html


Looks like the GOP, teabaggers, and their followers will just have to come up with a new, valid reason for hating the 'illegal immigrants'.

[nathanm]

Looks like the GOP, teabaggers, and their followers will just have to come up with a new, valid reason for hating the 'illegal immigrants'.

It's OK. They'll just have a little chronological difficulty and make the claim that the law reduced crime. Sort of like they claim St. Reagan's policies caused changes that were already in progress before he even took office.

[Ed W]

Wasn't there some country back in the 30s that blamed all their problems on another minority?  I seem to recall that many of the same arguments about crime were made then, and as acts of violence against these people increased, those that had the means left for other, less intolerant nations.  For instance, substitute 'Hispanic' or 'Mexican' for key words in this piece about The Jewish Problem:

The Jewish Question is as old as the history of Jewry itself. From the days of antiquity to the present, the peoples have always risen up to defend themselves against Jewish parasitism. The defense was often bloody. Greater Germany is the first country in the world to find a legal way to separate from the alien Jewish people. In contrast to the views of the last century, and of the so-called democrats of today, National Socialism sees the Jewish Question not as a religions problem, but rather as a racial question.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm#Antisem

The modern anti-Hispanic sentiment is not a whit different from the anti-Semitic hatred in Germany.

[dbacks fan]

Completely untrue. But people like you will keep on believing the fear mongering and hate speech that continues to spew from the usual suspects...

From the Wall Street Journal, a conservative publication:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704113504575264432463469618.html


In Phoenix, police spokesman Trent Crump said, "Despite all the hype, in every single reportable crime category, we're significantly down." Mr. Crump said Phoenix's most recent data for 2010 indicated still lower crime. For the first quarter of 2010, violent crime was down 17% overall in the city, while homicides were down 38% and robberies 27%, compared with the same period in 2009.

Arizona's major cities all registered declines. A perceived rise in crime is one reason often cited by proponents of a new law intended to crack down on illegal immigration. The number of kidnappings reported in Phoenix, which hit 368 in 2008, was also down, though police officials didn't have exact figures.


The Arizona Republic has also recently reported that the AZ border towns are seeing their lowest violent crime rates in a decade.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html


Looks like the GOP, teabaggers, and their followers will just have to come up with a new, valid reason for hating the 'illegal immigrants'.

There is truth to this, and alot of it started when the housing bubble burst and the the fall in the economy were the first contributing factors to them leaving. The construction jobs went then with the the bail outs and companies rethinking annual company gatherings at the resorts here were just the first domino's to fall.

I would also dare to say that the drop in violence among the border towns along the AZ/Mexico border is the fact that the state of Sonora wants our tourism dollars for all of the people that travel to Rocky Point/Puerto Penasco.

http://www.puerto-penasco.com/

[nathanm]

There is truth to this, and alot of it started when the housing bubble burst and the the fall in the economy were the first contributing factors to them leaving.

Your thoughts seem unclear on this. Were the illegal aliens who left because of a lack of work working or were they murdering and kidnapping? Or are the two things actually completely unrelated since the set of illegal immigrants who come here to work are completely different than the set who come here in the employ of drug cartels?

[dbacks fan]

Your thoughts seem unclear on this. Were the illegal aliens who left because of a lack of work working or were they murdering and kidnapping? Or are the two things actually completely unrelated since the set of illegal immigrants who come here to work are completely different than the set who come here in the employ of drug cartels?

Sorry if my thoughts are unclear, but it is all intertwined. You have the coyotes bringing the illegals into AZ, and there is a network of people here to work them into living here. The same coyotes are also smugglining drugs into the US at the same time. The coyotes also have a network of stolen identities and sales of cars that the illegals purchase and drive thinking they may not be caught. You can say and the facts prove that many of the illegals want a better life, and most do, but many are just looking for money. Some of the people who come across illegaly are looking to steal to further the trade of human smuggling and drug smuggling. It does not matter to them the cost to us.

I would like to see the change in crime statistics with the decline that has been posted, as to the number of illegals commiting crimes as opposed to the number of US citizens commiting crimes.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Can't cure the disease treating the symptoms(illegals).  Gotta treat the cause (invitation issued by corporate America).

[azbadpuppy]

I would also dare to say that the drop in violence among the border towns along the AZ/Mexico border is the fact that the state of Sonora wants our tourism dollars for all of the people that travel to Rocky Point/Puerto Penasco.
http://www.puerto-penasco.com/

In reality there was never a 'drop in violence' along the border towns. There has never been a high crime rate on the US side of the border- and in fact crime statistics show that many border towns are actually among some of the safest communities in the nation.

[dbacks fan]

In reality there was never a 'drop in violence' along the border towns. There has never been a high crime rate on the US side of the border- and in fact crime statistics show that many border towns are actually among some of the safest communities in the nation.

Yes because of their proximatey to the US and their want of US currency they will try to quell the problems, as long as those from the US stay in the "Safe Areas".

Sonora wil bend over backwards to provide a safe enviroment for US citizens vacationing there. I will admit I would love to go to RP for a load of shrimp, let alone the food. But you have to admit that there are areas of RP that you are on your own.

[azbadpuppy]

Yes because of their proximatey to the US and their want of US currency they will try to quell the problems, as long as those from the US stay in the "Safe Areas".

Sonora wil bend over backwards to provide a safe enviroment for US citizens vacationing there. I will admit I would love to go to RP for a load of shrimp, let alone the food. But you have to admit that there are areas of RP that you are on your own.

I meant there is very little crime on the US side of the border. Nearly all of the violent crime happens on the Mexico side and is almost exclusively isolated to the warring drug factions.

Honestly I spend a lot of time in Mexico, and if you are not involved with the drug cartel, or anyone they may want to mess with, you are fine. I am all over Rocky Point quite often and have never felt anything but perfectly safe no matter where I am. Of course there are parts of the country that should be avoided, just like in the states. For instance, I avoid Texas like the plague 

[nathanm]

Sorry if my thoughts are unclear, but it is all intertwined. You have the coyotes bringing the illegals into AZ, and there is a network of people here to work them into living here. The same coyotes are also smugglining drugs into the US at the same time. The coyotes also have a network of stolen identities and sales of cars that the illegals purchase and drive thinking they may not be caught. You can say and the facts prove that many of the illegals want a better life, and most do, but many are just looking for money. Some of the people who come across illegaly are looking to steal to further the trade of human smuggling and drug smuggling. It does not matter to them the cost to us.

I would like to see the change in crime statistics with the decline that has been posted, as to the number of illegals commiting crimes as opposed to the number of US citizens commiting crimes.

OK, I guess I wasn't particularly clear, either. Why would the violent people care if the nonviolent illegal immigrants left the area? I'm not understanding how driving mostly law abiding people out reduces the violent crime rate?

[dbacks fan]

OK, I guess I wasn't particularly clear, either. Why would the violent people care if the nonviolent illegal immigrants left the area? I'm not understanding how driving mostly law abiding people out reduces the violent crime rate?

The violent people (coyotes human smugglers) don't care. The people that they bring here have paid them hundreds if not thousands of dollars. If they think that there is more money to be had, they will hold the illegals for ransom to get more money. The people held will ask those that are already here for more money, and these crimes usually go unreported. There is so much that goes unreported now that the new law can't touch. At least twice a month Maricopa County Sherriff's or local PD find drop houses with 50 to 80 people inside the house without water, food, and hidden by boarded up windows to keep the illegals in the house.