Proposed law would block judges from using sharia law and international law

[Cats Cats Cats]

I like the idea of seeing what has happened elsewhere and what loopholes laws created.  Instead of doing the same broken crap somebody else did and then have to fix it.

[guido911]

Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.

Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?

Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html

[nathanm]

Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html

Presuming your source is accurate, given that the idiotic decision (which has nothing to do with sharia per se, only religious custom in general) was overturned on appeal, I think we have nothing to worry about, despite the tone of the article.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling!  Something that can be researched and actually seen!

I anxiously await!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Here is what Ginsburg actually said about the topic, just in case anyone wants the un-Fox-edited version.



Justice Ginsburg said the controversy was based on the misunderstanding that citing a foreign precedent means the court considers itself bound by foreign law as opposed to merely being influenced by such power as its reasoning holds.

"Why shouldn't we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?" she asked.

[guido911]

Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling!  Something that can be researched and actually seen!

I anxiously await!

I think before you go off you should perhaps, just perhaps, look through this thread and see my comments.

[Red Arrow]

I think before you go off you should perhaps, just perhaps, look through this thread and see my comments.

You're no fun.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Ahhhh....irony..... yes, the joys of the lack of nuance in text.  Sorry.
And yes, I jumped right over your next comments.


And yeah...that's no fun!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Off on a tangent;
The Religious Freedom Act reads like one of those "feel good", touchy-feely sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya things that doesn't have much real meaning.  Or can be whatever the reader wants it to mean.

But it leaves the definition of "compelling governmental interest" and "least restrictive means" to the courts.

I guess that's how all those lawyers in the legislature provides an ongoing revenue stream of litigation and political turmoil.  Turmoil creates commotion which creates opportunity for income.

It's a relief to know neither Sharia nor international law will be used to determine these critical points.

Too bad this state wastes so much time with stuff like that.

[jamesrage]

Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html

Amazing how people think "oh that could never happen here". The fact there are judges like Joseph Charles in New Jersey or a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on on the supreme court proves that we have judges that will cite foreign and religious laws. Luckily for Oklahoma most of the liberals are those who populate this forum, but we could end up getting a liberal judge like that in Oklahoma one.

[jamesrage]

Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling!  Something that can be researched and actually seen!

I anxiously await!

Why do we have to wait for something to happen here before we can make a law against it? Where is the logic in that? I realize that Oklahoma is probably one of the most conservative states in the country but a liberal judge could weasel his way in.

[rwarn17588]

Why do we have to wait for something to happen here before we can make a law against it?

And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? 

[Red Arrow]

And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? 

Every place I have called has been out of stock.  Do you have a source with some in stock?     

[JeffM]

And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? 

Did someone say "unicorn" ?
"Shun the nonbeliever... shun..... shun...." 

[custosnox]

Did someone say "unicorn" ?
"Shun the nonbeliever... shun..... shun...." 

Damn you, you stole three and a half minutes of my life.