Hillary Clinton for President

[heironymouspasparagus]

Let's find out who would be her vice-president first...she's going to resign half way through anyway, so you are really voting for VP.

[Conan71]

I would have to agree, with the exception that in a race between Clinton and Palin I would vote for Palin.  Not because I support a Palin candidacy in any way, but because I know it would result more in the dismantling of bureaucracy and it would send a message to the Republicans, who will be in charge of congress at that time, not to repeat the big government actions of the past.

I think Palin would make a dreadful president, but she poses no threat to democracy.  Hillary will want to take the failed ObamaCare system and reform it into HillaryCare II.  She will however take control of border issues, and is less likely to push amnesty or stand in the way of business and commerce.  I think she learned that lesson from Bill.  The best thing he ever did was get out of the way and let the good times roll.

I read somewhere that over 300,000 federal jobs were eliminated under the Clinton administration. 

I was always led to believe that President Bush II would be a fiscal conservative.  I wound up being completely disappointed, but where this becomes a muddled issue is the fact that he was faced with unprecidented terrorist attacks and one natural disaster after another.  Some things no other President had to face since, arguably, FDR on the dawn of WWII. 

Palin supposedly having a conservative bent doesn't sway me considering our last President actully did have somewhat of a conservative pedigree and legacy and didn't live up to those expectations.  I also don't think she's got a great fundamental understanding of government.  Were it not for the McCain campaign lifting her out of total obscurity, she'd still be captaining one of the least populated states in the nation and relatively insulated from the goings on in Washington.  I also have a problem with the way she simply quit her job last year for greener pastures.  She can cite mounting legal costs, but that's just an excuse.  It makes me doubt her capability under serious pressure.  I admire the woman for many things, don't get me wrong.  I simply find her pretty naive on policy and do not think she brings the sort of leadership skills necessary to lead our nation out of this funk.  She also represents the more far right faction and I don't think that's any better than Newt would be.

Far left and far right only increase the partisan divide which is getting sharper and sharper.  A more moderate candidate (anyone who doesn't think the Clinton WH wasn't moderate is smoking rope) like Hillary could actually get things done.

[nathanm]

Far left and far right only increase the partisan divide which is getting sharper and sharper.  A more moderate candidate (anyone who doesn't think the Clinton WH wasn't moderate is smoking rope) like Hillary could actually get things done.

Please stop saying reasonable things with which I agree. It's making me think a plague of locusts is about to descend on us.

[Gaspar]

I simply find her pretty naive on policy and do not think she brings the sort of leadership skills necessary to lead our nation out of this funk.  She also represents the more far right faction and I don't think that's any better than Newt would be.

Far left and far right only increase the partisan divide which is getting sharper and sharper.  A more moderate candidate (anyone who doesn't think the Clinton WH wasn't moderate is smoking rope) like Hillary could actually get things done.

I agree she is no President!!!  But I disagree on the partisan divide.  In the past when we have had a far right president and a far left congress we have actually been better off.  No matter liberal or conservative, when both the president and congress agree on issues the tendency to grow government is too strong.

Bush with a republican "conservative" congress spun wildly out of control.  The same is true of every president with a rubber stamp legislature and vise versa.

When we have a house divided we see real debate and we see all of the dirty little earmarks and tricks and games uncovered.  Sure, fewer bills are passed, but those that are do not escape harsh and painful scrutiny.  No 2,000 page bill would ever pass congress unread, if it faced a president ready to veto it.

No president would ever get away with issuing careless decrees, mandates, and moratoriums with a critical legislature.  

I want every bill to be a bloody fight.  I want bruised and beaten congress men and women, and a president with swards in his/her back.  That's what produces legislation in the best interest of the people.  Only when each of our representatives is required to fight for us, are we are served!

[nathanm]

Since this thread is somewhat predicated on the idea that Obama is toxic at the moment, I think this is a good place to reference this poll, for what little polls are worth:

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/07/poll_americans_blame_bush_not.html

I find it interesting that more people blame Bush for the deficit than Obama, and that few people think McCain would have done a better job. Also interesting is that despite the hammering Obama has been getting on the issue, 51% of the people polled think that Bush handled Katrina worse than Obama has handled the BP blowout.

I think the public in general a lot more frustrated with Congress than they are with the President. (as is reflected by their relative approval ratings)

[Gaspar]

Since this thread is somewhat predicated on the idea that Obama is toxic at the moment, I think this is a good place to reference this poll, for what little polls are worth:

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/07/poll_americans_blame_bush_not.html

I find it interesting that more people blame Bush for the deficit than Obama, and that few people think McCain would have done a better job. Also interesting is that despite the hammering Obama has been getting on the issue, 51% of the people polled think that Bush handled Katrina worse than Obama has handled the BP blowout.

I think the public in general a lot more frustrated with Congress than they are with the President. (as is reflected by their relative approval ratings)

Agree. 

The problem is that little change has taken place.  The same people report the economy as the number one issue for the president and it seems to have taken the back seat.  They are frustrated with congress, and the president.

Blaming the old ghosts has no power now.  People have begun to realize that you can Hope for Change or you can Work for Change and they are not seeing the work.

[nathanm]

they are not seeing the work.

They are blind, then. Whether or not you agree with the new policies, you can't deny that Obama has shoved quite a bit of stuff through the meat grinder of Congress. It may not be progress in the direction you personally would like to go, but it's not as if nothing has happened in the last year and a half.

[Gaspar]

They are blind, then. Whether or not you agree with the new policies, you can't deny that Obama has shoved quite a bit of stuff through the meat grinder of Congress. It may not be progress in the direction you personally would like to go, but it's not as if nothing has happened in the last year and a half.

That is 100% accurate. 

I think the President has pursued the exact Change he was looking for.  I also think it is significantly different than what the people expected.  On the campaign trail he always alluded to "Change" when discussing strengthening the economy, and he was very detailed when discussing regulation and new layers of government.

The word change was brilliant because it could literally mean anything, and it literally did.  They fainted, cried, and laid themselves prostrate on the alter of Change.  This man was not Bush, and that's what mattered.  He had never led.  He had never managed.  He had no experience in anything but campaigning, and he became leader of the most powerful country in the world.  It's a true Cinderella story, and I'm glad I was alive to see it happen.

The crystal carriage has since turned back into a pumpkin, and we are left with Change.  Not the Change we Hoped for.  Not the Change you Hoped for.

Yes, as you said "Obama has shoveled quite a bit of stuff."

[Gaspar]

Early expectations were that President Obama would drop Biden in the 2012 race and offer the position to Hillary. 

Now it seems with the Carville machine in full gear against Obama and forces within his own administration working against him, Hillary is the logical hope for the party.

[Conan71]

Please stop saying reasonable things with which I agree. It's making me think a plague of locusts is about to descend on us.

Kumbaya 

[Conan71]

I agree she is no President!!!  But I disagree on the partisan divide.  In the past when we have had a far right president and a far left congress we have actually been better off.  No matter liberal or conservative, when both the president and congress agree on issues the tendency to grow government is too strong.

Bush with a republican "conservative" congress spun wildly out of control.  The same is true of every president with a rubber stamp legislature and vise versa.

When we have a house divided we see real debate and we see all of the dirty little earmarks and tricks and games uncovered.  Sure, fewer bills are passed, but those that are do not escape harsh and painful scrutiny.  No 2,000 page bill would ever pass congress unread, if it faced a president ready to veto it.

No president would ever get away with issuing careless decrees, mandates, and moratoriums with a critical legislature.  

I want every bill to be a bloody fight.  I want bruised and beaten congress men and women, and a president with swards in his/her back.  That's what produces legislation in the best interest of the people.  Only when each of our representatives is required to fight for us, are we are served!

The difference is, people like the late Speaker of The House Tip O'Neill and President Reagan actually respected each other.  I blame Newt Gingrich for the total erosion of respect between an opposing executive branch and Congress.  He led the charge to use White Water (what a costly circle-jerk that ended in a hummer that was) to get back at Dems for Iran-Contra and Watergate and it was a poorly calculated move which I believe let to this erosion.

Bruised and beaten is one thing as a result of good debate.  A total lack of respect amongst politicians and/or creepy collusion behind the scenes has led to a total disregard for their constituents.

[Breadburner]

Owebama will not know what hit him after the Clinton machine gets through with him....

[Conan71]

Owebama will not know what hit him after the Clinton machine gets through with him....

True Dat...

[Red Arrow]

51% of the people polled think that Bush handled Katrina worse than Obama has handled the BP blowout.

Worse is a relative term.  Neither of them handled the situation well. Neither of them could have done a bunch more either.  There was plenty of blame to go around with Katrina.  I have to agree that Obama couldn't plug the well.  Obama could have cleared the way for earlier responses to the spill much as Bush II could have greased some skids for rescue and recovery from the hurricane.

[Hoss]

True Dat...

They said that also in 2008....

Jus' sayin'....