Hillary Clinton for President

[nathanm]

Obama could have cleared the way for earlier responses to the spill

How's that? Seriously, I don't see where the administration was in the way, except where it needed to be.

Edited to add: Look at me, using the past tense before the well is actually killed.

[Red Arrow]

How's that? Seriously, I don't see where the administration was in the way, except where it needed to be.

Edited to add: Look at me, using the past tense before the well is actually killed.

One that springs to mind is one of the barges or skimmers was kept in port for several days for not having enough life preservers for the crew.  Why not get the life preservers and get it working again?

Why the delay in allowing sand berms to be built?  Protecting something that will die anyway if the oil gets there?

Some help offered by foreign sources was not for free.  Why did the administration not tell them to get helping, we will guarantee the money and figure out how to get it from BP later?  It's not like we have a balanced budget.  Protecting the jobs of the shrimpers and other fisherpersons has to be more important than a strip of concrete somewhere.

The administration could have cleared the red tape but perhaps these are the type things where you believe the administration should have been in the way.

[swake]

One that springs to mind is one of the barges or skimmers was kept in port for several days for not having enough life preservers for the crew.  Why not get the life preservers and get it working again?

Why the delay in allowing sand berms to be built?  Protecting something that will die anyway if the oil gets there?

Some help offered by foreign sources was not for free.  Why did the administration not tell them to get helping, we will guarantee the money and figure out how to get it from BP later?  It's not like we have a balanced budget.  Protecting the jobs of the shrimpers and other fisherpersons has to be more important than a strip of concrete somewhere.

The administration could have cleared the red tape but perhaps these are the type things where you believe the administration should have been in the way.

Sources? You know, other than Glen Beck?

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Sources? You know, other than Glen Beck?

Glen is on in the afternoon while I'm at work.

Sources proving these to be incorrect?  Other that Huffington etc?

[Conan71]

Sources? You know, other than Glen Beck?

Pick any newspaper or msm. Unless you've been in a cave for three months you've no doubt read and or heard about the agonizingly slow pace of bureaucracy which kept states  from protecting their shorelines and industries.

[nathanm]

Why the delay in allowing sand berms to be built?  Protecting something that will die anyway if the oil gets there?

In that particular case, because it was plainly obvious they'd be useless and get washed away the first time the wind got over a few miles an hour. So chalk up $350 million wasted.

[Hoss]

In that particular case, because it was plainly obvious they'd be useless and get washed away the first time the wind got over a few miles an hour. So chalk up $350 million wasted.

Why hell, that's probably about 20 minutes worth of the Iraq war...

[nathanm]

Why hell, that's probably about 20 minutes worth of the Iraq war...

Hey, didn't you hear, we got more people in Afghanistan than Iraq now.

[Red Arrow]

In that particular case, because it was plainly obvious they'd be useless and get washed away the first time the wind got over a few miles an hour. So chalk up $350 million wasted.

Hurricane, sure but then you could blame Bush as an extension of the Katrina disaster.  It could possibly protect against the usual afternoon thundershower.  It might buy enough time to do something better.  What happened to the liberal doing anything, even if it is wrong, is better than doing nothing?

[nathanm]

Hurricane, sure but then you could blame Bush as an extension of the Katrina disaster.  It could possibly protect against the usual afternoon thundershower.  It might buy enough time to do something better.  What happened to the liberal doing anything, even if it is wrong, is better than doing nothing?

It didn't even take a thunderstorm to drown a bunch of construction equipment on Jindal's berms.

Have I ever said doing the wrong thing is better than doing nothing? I thought that was a Bush thing.

[Conan71]

It didn't even take a thunderstorm to drown a bunch of construction equipment on Jindal's berms.

Have I ever said doing the wrong thing is better than doing nothing? I thought that was a Bush thing.

Face it. The Feds dithered while states were ready to provide their own solutions.

[rwarn17588]

Face it. The Feds BP dithered while states were ready to provide their own solutions posturing.

FTFY.

And I'm fascinated to read all of these folk who think that Hillary's actually going to challenge in 2012. I think that's just a fairytale (semi-obscure reference from 2008).

[Gaspar]

FTFY.

And I'm fascinated to read all of these folk who think that Hillary's actually going to challenge in 2012. I think that's just a fairytale (semi-obscure reference from 2008).

LOL.  I guess the fairytale is picking up serious steam. 

http://www.sfexaminer.com/politics/Afghan-war-may-be-key-to-2012-Clinton-candidacy-1001466-98710284.html

Her actions are becoming more presidential as he is withdrawing with each new failed attempt at leadership.  For the last 18 months she's been in the back seat, now the spotlight is squarely on her.

Only time will tell, but her actions are bold.

[Conan71]

FTFY.

And I'm fascinated to read all of these folk who think that Hillary's actually going to challenge in 2012. I think that's just a fairytale (semi-obscure reference from 2008).

BP didn't beach oil collecting barges looking for life jackets & fire extinguishers.  BP didn't basically ignore outside offers for help regardless of cost from other countries, and BP didn't sit on it's hands while governors of Gulf states were coming up with viable solutions to protect their beaches and delicate wetlands.

An incumbent President facing opposition from within their own party is rare, but not unheard of, it happened to President Carter courtesy of Sen. Ted Kennedy in 1980.  Carville being upset with the Obama Admin over the handling of the BP spill hasn't helped quell speculation.  At this point it's obviously conjecture, but if November turns into a total blood bath I think you could easily see the Clintons try to wrest control of the party back.  

[rwarn17588]

BP didn't beach oil collecting barges looking for life jackets & fire extinguishers.  BP didn't mull outside offers for help regardless of cost from other countries, and BP didn't sit on it's hands while governors of Gulf states were coming up with viable solutions to protect their beaches and delicate wetlands.

Puh-lease.

Oil has washed up on every state in the Gulf despite the "viable" solutions. If you can figure out how to stop oil from washing ashore from a 180 million gallon leak with dispersants, I'd sure like to hear it.