Hillary Clinton for President

[Conan71]

Puh-lease.

Oil has washed up on every state in the Gulf despite the "viable" solutions. If you can figure out how to stop oil from washing ashore from a 180 million gallon leak with dispersants, I'd sure like to hear it.

Uh, I think we are all aware of that, so you think the Federal response to this disaster has been adequate, then?  There's a whole tourism and fishing industry that strongly disagrees with your assertion.  I'm sure you would have thought the response to Katrina was terrific as well had it happened during the Obama Administration.

[we vs us]

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/

[rwarn17588]

Uh, I think we are all aware of that, so you think the Federal response to this disaster has been adequate, then? 

Adequacy is an utterly moot point. I'm willing to reluctantly concede that some problems are too big for anyone. It's the biggest oil spill in history. You have thousands of miles of shoreline that are affected.

This isn't like making an iPhone that periodically has connection problems, or a basic thing such as hauling food and water to a few thousand hurricane refugees that are collected in one area.

This is much bigger than either of those things. What would you have done?

[Gaspar]

Puh-lease.

Oil has washed up on every state in the Gulf despite the "viable" solutions. If you can figure out how to stop oil from washing ashore from a 180 million gallon leak with dispersants, I'd sure like to hear it.

You can't, any more than you can stop a hurricane, or plug a volcano. 

The response by the administration is lacking because by all outward appearances it is not a priority.  No matter how strong the effort may be.  The President's primary job is to lead.  Part of leading is gaining the confidence of your public.  This is where the failure is, it has little to do with the actual response, and more to do with public perception. 

The delay in addressing the disaster and the very strange illconcieved address to the American people caused a major leak of confidence.  Compound that with 7 vacations, 20+ golf outings, dozens of fund raisers, private Whitehouse concerts and other distractions, the words "I will not rest until we plug the leak" rings a bit hollow.

The leak and the economy are not really that important.  At least that's the sentiment we are getting from this President.  He has other things, and other priorities he must get to first. 

It's not a lapse in response, though that might exist.  It's a lapse in leadership, and we are seeing it on multiple fronts. 

[Conan71]

Adequacy is an utterly moot point. I'm willing to reluctantly concede that some problems are too big for anyone. It's the biggest oil spill in history. You have thousands of miles of shoreline that are affected.

This isn't like making an iPhone that periodically has connection problems, or a basic thing such as hauling food and water to a few thousand hurricane refugees that are collected in one area.

This is much bigger than either of those things. What would you have done?

Executive orders.

The President should have removed any barriers devoted to cleaning up and containing the spill immediately.  There should have been no waiting periods for permits to move sand around, no delays in deploying barges for USCG safety checks which could have been accomplished on-board as they were working, etc. 

Actually, it's disputable whether or not it's the largest spill.  Oil spills are not uncharted territory if you are implying that.

http://www.envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38304778

[Conan71]

The response by the administration is lacking because by all outward appearances it is not a priority.  No matter how strong the effort may be.  The President's primary job is to lead.  Part of leading is gaining the confidence of your public.  This is where the failure is, it has little to do with the actual response, and more to do with public perception. 

You can't say that, it's not fair.  It was fair when President Bush was dealing with Katrina, but it's not fair now because it's "their" guy on the hot seat.  Adequacy is now moot, have you not heard?

[Gaspar]

It is what it is.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Saw an interesting video this morning (will try to get link later...) that showed two guys with bowls of water and some oil, with their idea on how to help clean up the spill.  They used hay, spread on the surface of the water and it absorbed oil like one of those German magic clothes picks up Pepsi out of your carpet.

Did a very good job in the demonstration.

Now all we need is several hundred square miles of hay!

After it has soaked up the oil, bring it ashore and burn it in something like the Tulsa incinerator.  Oh, yeah...another great idea of how to get rid of waste that was shut down by the city "Fathers".  I'm sure it must be better to fill large holes in the ground with unprocessed trash rather than have a little pile of ash to deal with.

[Gaspar]

Saw an interesting video this morning (will try to get link later...) that showed two guys with bowls of water and some oil, with their idea on how to help clean up the spill.  They used hay, spread on the surface of the water and it absorbed oil like one of those German magic clothes picks up Pepsi out of your carpet.

Did a very good job in the demonstration.

Now all we need is several hundred square miles of hay!

After it has soaked up the oil, bring it ashore and burn it in something like the Tulsa incinerator.  Oh, yeah...another great idea of how to get rid of waste that was shut down by the city "Fathers".  I'm sure it must be better to fill large holes in the ground with unprocessed trash rather than have a little pile of ash to deal with.

Wow! Where have you been.  They use hay bales.  They also use straw booms and what they call waddles (basically nylon stuffed with hey).

The best thing I've seen is nylon fiber fill.  It floats on the water but soaks up the oil.  It's basically the stuffing in your sofa.

I personally think they should employ hashbrowns.  I've never seen anything soak up grease like my wife's hashbrowns.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yeah, I have seen the booms and all the structural items that are used to stop movement.  This was a different technique - it is just spread around on the surface like a mat floating around to cover large areas.  Was not localized "spot" method - cover entire gulf.

Also, don't need nylon - another oil base pollutant for this application - just plain old bermuda/fescue or what ever is readily available.  (Marijuana??  Hey, if they used grass, then burn the whole thing in a boiler, could get a nice little contact buzz while making hot water!)  Well, except for the toxic chemical part of it...

[Conan71]

Yeah, I have seen the booms and all the structural items that are used to stop movement.  This was a different technique - it is just spread around on the surface like a mat floating around to cover large areas.  Was not localized "spot" method - cover entire gulf.

Also, don't need nylon - another oil base pollutant for this application - just plain old bermuda/fescue or what ever is readily available.  (Marijuana??  Hey, if they used grass, then burn the whole thing in a boiler, could get a nice little contact buzz while making hot water!)  Well, except for the toxic chemical part of it...

Actually not true, you can powder the fiber fill, soak up the oil, retrieve it, centrifuge the oil out, and re-apply it.

Also, are you aware that the Trash-To-Energy plant in west Tulsa has been re-opened for some time now?

[RecycleMichael]

Also, are you aware that the Trash-To-Energy plant in west Tulsa has been re-opened for some time now?

Tulsa residential trash has been going there for over nine months now.

[YoungTulsan]

So, hows about that Hillary Clinton?

[Conan71]

So, hows about that Hillary Clinton?

Knowing what we know now, she's looking pretty good.

[Gaspar]

Hillary is talking to Gretta:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks about the fight against terrorism on the Pakistan/Afghani border. Clinton says "I assume somebody in this [Pakistani] government, from top to bottom, does know where Bin Laden is, and I'd like to know too."

What would happen if she came home with Bin Laden.  What a victory.  I would probably even vote for her.