You Know What's Freakin Hilarious...Bigotry

[azbadpuppy]

Actually, Carter didn't say the opposition to health care was racist, he said:

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man"

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2009/09/15/4431383-carter-race-plays-role-in-obama-dislike

I for one admire Carter and his willingness to stand up for what he believes is right, and speak his mind. He was completely villified by southern conservatives after that statement. Anyone who has spent any time in the south knows that what Carter said is absolutely true. Exposure to the truth does hurt sometimes. 

Of course, those who dislike Obama because of his race will obviously also oppose his policies, but that is mainly due to the fact that those racist types don't believe a black man has any business running the country and is somehow inferior. He could institue world peace, single-handedly find a cure for cancer, and prove the existence of God, and those people would still, in their hearts, think of him as inferior.

Conservatives will always oppose more liberal leaning policies and vice-versa. Nothing to do with racism. Its the racist words and actions that have been displayed by so many during the campaign and even more so after he was elected that are alarming.

Basically, the way I see it is  certain talking heads on the conservative side are trying to use the race card to justify bad behavior for themselves and other certain self-proclaimed conservative groups, i.e. Tea Partiers, by crying "all opposition to Obama is racist".

That's not it at all. It is the actions of so many that have spoken the loudest, in racist billboards, speeches, signs, news stories, rallies, etc. That is where it is exposed.

And then when they get called out on it, you have Beck, Limbaugh, et al, there to cry foul and claim "Just because we oppose Obama's policies we are labeled racist". Ridiculous.

[Conan71]

Even presented with multiple instances of liberals fanning racist flames, it's still the conservatives doing it to themselves.  Got it.

[azbadpuppy]

Even presented with multiple instances of liberals fanning racist flames, it's still the conservatives doing it to themselves.  Got it.

If, by attempting to expose racial bias and behavior by some people is considered 'fanning the flames' then yes. I don't think anyone has tried to say all conservatives are racist.

My biggest concern, and I think many would agree, is that there hasn't yet been an across the board denouncement from the Republican party (or its talking heads) condemning the obviously racist behavior. And the Tea Party, for too long, let it go unchecked. Only recently has anyone from the TP condemned the outrageous behavior, and even then it only happened after coming under fire, and unfortunately for them, the stigma of angry racist white people has stuck.

Racist behavior should be exposed. It should be talked about. It's ugly but it happens. To pretend it doesn't, or to try and make excuses for it is even worse.

[nathanm]

Even presented with multiple instances of liberals fanning racist flames, it's still the conservatives doing it to themselves.  Got it.

So did the conservative pundits say what Olbermann claimed they did? If so, at least some of them were making those remarks based on race. I can believe that some of them are just idiots and aren't aware of the dog whistle they're using, but all of them?

Either way, it started with "You Lie!" and Carter's remark. It's unfortunate that you can't see the blatant racism that some of the tea partiers exhibit. We're never going to get anywhere if people ignore it.

And I still haven't seen you come up with any support for the claim that Obama or the Democrats ever said that all opposition to Obama is racist, which was the original claim. I mean, if you're interested in comparing pundits, there's plenty of outright racist smile coming out of Limbaugh and Beck's mouths on a nearly daily basis.

[custosnox]

I mean, if you're interested in comparing pundits, there's plenty of outright racist smile coming out of Limbaugh and Beck's mouths on a nearly daily basis.

I'm not a fan in any way of Limbaugh or Beck.  So far I have been able to avoid Limbaugh for the better part of Obama's administration.  Beck, on the other hand, i have not been so lucky and have had to here his blowhard comments droning on in the background almost nonstop.  He is opposed to POTUS in so many ways right now it doesn't even make sense.  However, I have never heard him make a racist comment.  Granted, I have only had to put up with hearing him for the past several months, but if he made such remarks on a daily basis, than it stands to reason that I would have heard these remarks several times.  Or is this a case of he must be racist because he opposes everything the President does?

[Conan71]

Racist behavior should be exposed. It should be talked about. It's ugly but it happens. To pretend it doesn't, or to try and make excuses for it is even worse.

We don't have a problem pretending it doesn't exist around here.

This is really what I'm trying to get across about how the President could have a seriously important legacy moment by having a frank talk about racism and laying it all out there.  He's got an advantage that previous Presidents did not.  Other than the beer summit, he's not really taken advantage of his unique position to tackle the issue.  Perhaps the Sherrod incident will jolt him a little.

[nathanm]

Or is this a case of he must be racist because he opposes everything the President does?

Dude, he's lost like 200 sponsors in the last year because of his racist comments.

[Red Arrow]

Protestant and Catholic are polar opposites, hence the IRA (racist) and the Catholics (racist) in Northern Ireland since before the US was even thought of. Where did I relate bigotry to racism? My comment about Archie Bunker was the fact that he was a bigot not a racist. He hated everyone that was not of his kind. Racist singles out a particular race. Bigotry is a disdain for all types. Archie hated all types and races, that's why I made the reference as an equal opportunity racist. IT WAS TOUNGE IN CHEEK!

It sounded to me like you were trying to include religious differences within the same race as part of racism.

"Protestant and Catholic are polar opposites, hence the IRA (racist) and the Catholics (racist) in Northern Ireland since before the US was even thought of."  The IRA and Catholics may be racist but their hate for the British is hardly based on race.

[custosnox]

Dude, he's lost like 200 sponsors in the last year because of his racist comments.

As I said, in the past several months of having him drone on in the background I have not heard racist comments.  You say he makes them almost on a daily basis.  Something does not match up here.  I'm not saying he hasn't in the past, I'm also not saying he doesn't still (since you haven't referanced any, I'll look it up), I'm just saying that if he made them on a daily, or almost daily, basis, it stands to reason that I would have heard some of them.  So it has to be questioned if your exaggerating things out of perspective, or if you are pushing non racial comments into the racial catagory.  Keep in mind I do not like Beck, I want to shoot the T.V. everytime he is on and I can't avoid it.  He annoys the hell out of me and it is obvious he is on a vendetta.  I'm just pointing out what I am seeing here.  

[custosnox]

Dude, he's lost like 200 sponsors in the last year because of his racist comments.

Okay, did some digging, and the comment he made that lost a lot of sponsers was that he believes that Obama is Racist.  So calling someone else racist is being racist in one case, but not in another?  Explain how that works.

Beyond that, I only found two other comments that are being touted as the blowhard saying racist comments, and they were more of general perceptoins of black and white (one was comment was his own perceptions and the other was the public perceptions, two differanct shows).  While I could see one being skewed as being a racist remark (which is ironic because he was saying that he thinks Obama is very white), it is still a bit of a stretch.

[waterboy]

Waterboy,
I am not making up my own definitions.  These are THE definitions.  FOTD never like the actual definitions of things, so he lived in his own world. 

I am not offering any judgement.  I am simply pointing out the definition of 3 terms that people confuse and bend to their own meanings.

You asked a question.  I offered an answer.  I do not own the terminology used.

You are correct though.  The world I live in is simple.  It's easy to understand.  I enjoy the language and the math.  When people tell me that I make things too simple I take that as a complement.  I think that people make things too hard.

Complexity is the mother of insanity. . .for me at least.

Sorry for the late reply. Have to work more than I want to.

You choose words from my posts that are least meaningful, then blast me for them! I don't question the definitions or that people blur them, I question where, why and how people come up with their conclusions. Most people seem to use simple observation and make simple conclusions. Ah, were life so simple....

And that is the difference between you, maybe even your generation, and me and mine. I was taught and firmly believe, that our problems are complicated and usually require complex solutions. Or at least solutions that used more than simple observation. You have espoused pretty much the opposite. Life used to be simple when the Catholic church wouldn't allow the general population to read or to own bibles. You just did what you were told by those who could read, write and intrepret life for you.

Race is a stupid distraction as its currently being used.

[azbadpuppy]

We don't have a problem pretending it doesn't exist around here.

LOL- that is for sure.

I just don't know if it is the right time or in the best interest of the first black president to address racial bias right now- especially since so many people still won't admit there is a racial bias issue at hand. I think he would be crucified by the right.

[Hoss]

Hate to revive this months-old thread, but for my more left-leaning friends with HBO on the forum. Breitbart is scheduled to appear on "Real Time with Bill Maher" tonight.  Not sure if he'll be a panel member, but Seth MacFarlane and Pat Tillman's brother are scheduled on as well.

If he's a panel member he'll be eviscerated.  If he doesn't cancel that is.  Seems the right has a propensity for that.  If he cancels, maybe 'don't spank the monkey' O'donnell can replace him.

Oh wait, she has a propensity for canceling too?  Even canceled on Fox News Sunday....LOL.

[Conan71]

Oh wait, she has a propensity for canceling too?  Even canceled on Fox News Sunday....LOL.

She was probably feeling a bit randy that Sunday and rolled over to stir the pot instead of wanting to get up and go to the Fox studio.

Oh wait, I forgot...

[Hoss]

She was probably feeling a bit randy that Sunday and rolled over to stir the pot instead of wanting to get up and go to the Fox studio.

Oh wait, I forgot...

LOL  +1.

Question is, WHAT did she use to buy her pot....