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Ok. . . This is terrifying.

Started by Gaspar, July 29, 2010, 08:22:11 AM

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guido911

Quote from: nathanm on August 30, 2010, 05:47:35 PM
I believe you went there first, sir.



Must be from visiting those 57 states.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Hoss


nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on August 30, 2010, 05:57:48 PM
Must be from visiting those 57 states.
More likely it was from this:
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

reddog1

No really.... THIS is terrifying!!


heironymouspasparagus

Ok, Reddog, you can't keep bringing up George Bush in every conversation!  Or his puppet masters (see picture you included...)
Or was that Karl Rove in the morning before his makeup session?



"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

nathanm

You want to know what's really terrifying?

In a recent Newsweek poll, the following question was asked: "Some people have alleged that Barack Obama sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to
impose Islamic law around the world. From what you know about Obama, what is your opinion of these
allegations?"

52% of people who stated they were registered Republican stated that they think the allegations are definitely or probably true. At least 40% of the Republicans polled aren't idiots. I guess that's something. The good news is that 65% of independents are not idiots. The (not so) shocking news is that 21% of the Democrats polled are members of the moonbat or "too stupid to vote" club.

24% of the sample is convinced that Obama is a Muslim.

A quarter of our country simply refuses to acknowledge reality, and more are at least partly divorced from it. That's a serious problem.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on August 31, 2010, 07:00:50 PM
52% of people who stated they were registered Republican stated that they think the allegations are definitely or probably true. At least 40% of the Republicans polled aren't idiots. I guess that's something. The good news is that 65% of independents are not idiots. The (not so) shocking news is that 21% of the Democrats polled are members of the moonbat or "too stupid to vote" club.

This is just one issue.  Throw in a few more issues and we can be sure to get the too stupid to vote numbers well above 60% or more for R, D, & I.
 

Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on August 31, 2010, 07:00:50 PM
You want to know what's really terrifying?

In a recent Newsweek poll, the following question was asked: "Some people have alleged that Barack Obama sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to
impose Islamic law around the world. From what you know about Obama, what is your opinion of these
allegations?"

52% of people who stated they were registered Republican stated that they think the allegations are definitely or probably true. At least 40% of the Republicans polled aren't idiots. I guess that's something. The good news is that 65% of independents are not idiots. The (not so) shocking news is that 21% of the Democrats polled are members of the moonbat or "too stupid to vote" club.

24% of the sample is convinced that Obama is a Muslim.

A quarter of our country simply refuses to acknowledge reality, and more are at least partly divorced from it. That's a serious problem.

I think it is perhaps because President Obama has chosen a non-conventional presidential path.  Every president we have ever had has acknowledged his religious faith or at least provided lip-service (no that is not a dig on Clinton).  The President attended the Rev. Right's church for 20 years, but admits he never heard a single sermon (not really sure how that works).

When he came to Washington one of the big questions, as with any new president, is what church will he join.  He never joined a church.  He gives communion every Sunday morning at Our Lady of The Fairways.

So he has opened the door wide to speculation, and since this poll came out, over two weeks ago, he has simply brushed it off as "silly."  It's obvious that he doesn't think it's that important of an issue.  I don't think it's that important of an issue, however 83% of Americans are Christian, so you have to anticipate some level of suspicion, disappointment, or confusion.  I don't think it's fair to call them "idiots" for speculating.  People love a mystery and President Obama is providing the fodder for their imaginations. 

Americans are creative people, and free to be so. It's what separates us from the rest of the world. The outrage on the left about speculation behind President Obama's religion really pisses me off.  As a people we judge leaders on their actions, not their words. We are not some soviet empire where ruler and deity is interchangeable.  It is not idiotic for us to question our ELECTED leader. 

He could put a stop to this nonsense, but that would mean giving up the best tee times.  And why would he want to do that just to go to some church to prey to himself. :D

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

You are full of crap, Gaspar.

Obama doesn't need to publicly go to a church to be a Christian. The media attacked his last church so violently that he probably doesn't want to put another preacher through that again.

"The outrage on the left about speculation behind President Obama's religion really pisses me off." Really? You need some deep therapy then.
Power is nothing till you use it.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 01, 2010, 08:26:18 AM


Obama doesn't need to publicly go to a church to be a Christian. The media attacked his last church so violently that he probably doesn't want to put another preacher through that again.


I agree.  Perhaps it would be helpful for the president to just come out in an address and say "I don't believe I need to attend church to be a Christian."  I think it would take a lot of pressure off of those who think that they do.  As President, he is a high ranking role model and therefore responsible for not only his own actions, but the influence they have on others. 
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

#160
read this...

Holy BlackBerry! Obama Finds Ways to Keep the Faith During First Year in Office

If church attendance is one measure of a man's faith, then President Obama may appear to have lost some of his. The first family, once regular churchgoers, have publicly attended services in Washington just three times in the past year, by ABC News' count, even bypassing the pews on Christmas Day. Obama quit Chicago's embattled Trinity United Church of Christ months before taking office in 2008 and has not formally joined a new one in his new hometown.

But sources familiar with the president's personal life say Obama remains a faithful Christian while in the White House, practicing his beliefs regularly in private with family and the aid of his BlackBerry.

"Barack Obama is a Christian. He's always been clear and unapologetic about that, and he's comfortable with his own faith," Rev. Jim Wallis, an Obama friend and spiritual adviser, said. "But I think the president, particularly a president, needs the kind of pastoral care or spiritual counsel with people who don't have a political agenda. And it's hard for a president to get that."

Obama told ABC Nightline's Terry Moran that his personal BlackBerry, which he famously fought with the Secret Service to keep, has actually become a tool of keeping the faith during his first year in office. "My Faith and Neighborhood Initiatives director, Joshua DuBois, he has a devotional that he sends to me on my BlackBerry every day," Obama said. "That's how I start my morning. You know, he's got a passage, Scripture, in some cases quotes from other faiths to reflect on."

Keeping the faith in quiet moments of worship may be the best Obama can do given the realities of the presidency that make it nearly impossible to join a church without inflicting a heavy burden on taxpayers, fellow churchgoers and his own spiritual life, sources say. Security concerns mean costly and complicated measures to ensure the president's safety on church outings, including screening every member of the congregation for weapons and sweeping the church building and areas around it for threats.

Incessant media attention is also distracting for any president trying to commune with God, exposing what is traditionally a private practice to public scrutiny, Wallis said. "I don't think for them [the family], it's a political decision," he said of Obama's church dilemma. "I think for the media, it's a political issue. Where they land and get their nurture, care and formation; that's very difficult for the first family to find."

The Obamas announced a search for a new place of worship in late 2008 after a scandal over incendiary comments by then-pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright forced their separation from Trinity, where they had been members for 20 years. Days before his inauguration, Obama described to ABC News the "difficult time" of being without a church, saying that despite receiving daily prayers from supporters, "it's not the same as going to church and the choir's going and you get this feeling."

But weeks later, when the Obamas ventured to 19th Street Baptist Church -- one of the oldest, most historic African-American churches in the nation's capital -- aides say the family was shocked by the circus atmosphere surrounding their attendance and dismayed that some longtime church members couldn't even get into the service. "It is tougher as president," Obama told ABC's George Stephanopoulos in his first year. "This is not just an issue of going to church, it's an issue of going anywhere."

Joshua DuBois, the White House religious affairs director, said last year that the Obamas "will choose a church home at a time that is best for their family." It's now looking increasingly like their search may be indefinite. Aides and family friends have spent months visiting various local churches on behalf of the Obamas. And on two occasions, the first family turned to an old presidential favorite across the street from the White House, St. John's Episcopal.

Every president since James Madison has attended a service at St. Johns, where pew 54 is designated as "The President's Pew." President Obama also enjoys worshipping "fairly regularly" at the Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, where the Rev. Carey Cash -– a U.S. Navy chaplain and great-nephew of singer Johnny Cash -- ministers, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs has said. "We've been attending church, there's a little chapel up in Camp David when we go up there," Obama told ABC News' "Nightline" in July. "There's a wonderful young pastor up there, a chaplain, who does just wonderful work. And the Camp David families attend."

Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, also frequented the chapel at Camp David and ultimately chose not to formally join a church in Washington during his eight years in the White House.

A president's not formally joining a Washington, D.C., church is consistent with precedent, historians say.

"For the modern presidency, it is not the norm that a president attends church regularly," University of Maryland presidential scholar Matthew Burger said.

Burger, who studies presidents, religion and public life, points out that George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, were both "frequent attendees" at local churches but did not formally join a D.C. congregation. Ronald Reagan stands out as someone who articulated certainly the values of evangelical Christianity but was a pretty infrequent church attendee," Burger said. "He wasn't a member officially anywhere."

Jimmy Carter, who joined First Baptist Church in Washington, stands out as one of the most prominent presidential church-goers. He attended 72 Sunday services at First Baptist while in office, according to records kept by the Carter Library.
"Whenever he could, when he was on the road, he'd go to church, too," Steven Hochman, Carter Center researcher and assistant to the former president, told ABCNews.com.

And the Clintons, who attended Foundry United Methodist church near the White House regularly but did not formally join, are perhaps the exception in modern history for first family participation in church life, experts say. "The fact that Chelsea Clinton was able to be part of the youth group and sing in the youth choir and that all three of the Clintons could just drop in on a Sunday without creating too much of a stir really is a testament to that church congregation and may also have just been a stroke of luck," said Amy Sullivan, author of "The Party Faithful: How and Why Democrats Are Closing the God Gap," who also formerly attended Foundry Methodist at the same time as the Clintons.

"I don't think the Obamas could assume they can do the same thing, and the Bush family concluded they couldn't do that in D.C."

Despite the challenges of attending church while in office, Obama has indicated that he has not been detached from his faith or faith communities during his first year.

The President told ABC News in July that he prays every night before going to bed. "I pray all the time now," Obama said. "I've got a lot of stuff on my plate and I need guidance all the time." Aides say some of that guidance comes from the president's faith advisory council of 25 religious and non-profit leaders who help the administration partner with faith-based and community groups in providing social services.

Rev. Wallis, a member of the council, says the council is another means for the president to hear messages otherwise preached from the pulpit. "I think he certainly listens to people of faith when we speak about things we are about," he said.

Obama and all former U.S. presidents professed faith in Christianity, with most men identifying as Episcopalians, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Obama is the first U.S. president who affiliates with the Christian Protestant denomination, the United Church of Christ. Speaking on the eve of Martin Luther King Jr. Day earlier this month, Obama told a packed Vermont Avenue Baptist church in Washington, D.C., that faith keeps him grounded.

"I have a confession to make," he said. "There are times when I am not so calm. There are times when progress seems too slow. There are times when the words spoken about me hurt. There are times when the barbs sting. There are times when it feels like all these efforts are for not, that change is so painfully slow in coming and I have to confront my own doubt. During those times it is faith that keeps me calm."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-blackberry-faith-white-house/story?id=9689272&page=1


Power is nothing till you use it.

Hoss

Yep, so it's one standard for the apparent religious Republican; another for the 'Godless' Liberal.

::)

Conan71

RM, I'm just waiting for Glen Beck or Hannity to get ahold of that story and cobble together this conclusion:

"President Obama worships his Blackberry!"

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: Conan71 on September 01, 2010, 09:04:08 AM
RM, I'm just waiting for Glen Beck or Hannity to get ahold of that story and cobble together this conclusion:

"President Obama worships his Blackberry!"



Funny.

I <3 my iPhone!

;D

Conan71

Quote from: Hoss on September 01, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
Funny.

I <3 my iPhone!

;D

I'm picturing him stretched out on a prayer rug with his Blackberry at the head of it.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan