The New Mosque

[guido911]

This just in...Christians apparently bombed the world trade center in 1993

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/08/19/russell-simmons-def-history-lesson-jam/

[Hoss]

Oh geeze, now they really have done it!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/outrage-over-plans-to-build-library-next-to-sarah-palin-201008193017/

Talk about rubbing it in.

+1

funny stuff right there.

[guido911]

Well, this should end the debate. Al Franken has finally weighed in:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/19/franken-mosque-disgraceful

[Conan71]

Well, this should end the debate. Al Franken has finally weighed in:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/19/franken-mosque-disgraceful

Man, I thought the comments section of the Tulsa World makes my eyes bleed...whew they look like a bunch of pikers next to the thinkprogress moonbats.

[guido911]

Man, I thought the comments section of the Tulsa World makes my eyes bleed...whew they look like a bunch of pikers next to the thinkprogress moonbats.

Being unemployed and living in their parents' basement will do that to them.

[nathanm]

I finally figured out where the real moonbattery is coming from earlier today. I don't listen to talk radio, but as I was flipping through the stations, I happened upon KRMG this morning. Whatever show they were playing around 11:45 has a host that appears to be an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. Seriously, the guy was talking like my friend's dad does when he's off his meds. The stuff he was saying was so outlandish that I couldn't help but burst out laughing.

It's no wonder people think Democrats are the collective antichrist and Obama is an extremist Muslim.

[joiei]

Being unemployed and living in their parents' basement will do that to them.

Have you ever read the replys that gets left at Fox Nation?   Those people are scary.

[Cats Cats Cats]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011847,00.html

I guess its too insensitive for them to build a Mosque in Murfreesboro, TN too.

[guido911]

Well, this should end the debate. Al Franken has finally weighed in:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/19/franken-mosque-disgraceful

Correction, this should REALLY end the debate:

The reigning Miss USA has come out against the Ground Zero mosque, saying "it shouldn't be so close" to Ground Zero.

The 24-year-old Rima Fakih, is the first Muslim winner of the Miss USA contest and is preparing for the Miss Universe Pageant, scheduled for Monday in Las Vegas.

"I totally agree with President Obama with the statement on Constitutional rights of freedom of religion," Fakih told "Inside Edition" in an interview that will air tonight.

"I also agree that it shouldn't be so close to the World Trade Center. We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ground_zero_mosque_imam_says_radical_7rGRZmCD1Lh7sf2QSiYSRJ#ixzz0xBQuUXIq

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ground_zero_mosque_imam_says_radical_7rGRZmCD1Lh7sf2QSiYSRJ

For context purposes ONLY:

[nathanm]

Correction, this should REALLY end the debate:

Yeah, one person's opinion should end the debate. 

[Red Arrow]

A few more spokespersons like her might change the minds of some Americans with regards to the stereotype Muslim.

[Conan71]

Yeah, one person's opinion should end the debate. 

Sort of like Ted Olson's clip a few pages back?

I think it's important to listen to all opinions and not be so closed-minded that we believe only our own pre-concieved notions are the correct ones on the issue.  I didn't lose anyone on 9/11, and I find it a provocative move placing it so close to Ground Zero.  There's also sufficient anecdotes out there about Imam Faisal and the developer to suggest it's not so much a peaceful gesture.  However, I also realize that if no laws are broken, it's their right.  It's also the right of those who oppose it strictly on moral and emotional grounds to object to the developers and ask that it be built elsewhere.

Certainly there are people in this country who fear the spread of Islam within our borders much as the spread of Christianity is feared and reviled within the borders of predominantly Islamic nations.  I hear many misinformed opinions on activities of American Muslims, but there's also plenty of evidence to show that Muslims have not been the best of neighbors for many centuries to help create fear in people. 

Perhaps I'm more skeptical that you and more willing to take a longer and more in depth look at who the people are behind this project and trying to find some sort of sinister meaning to a 13 or 15 story mosque er community center in close proximity to where this tragedy happened.

[nathanm]

I think it's important to listen to all opinions and not be so closed-minded that we believe only our own pre-concieved notions are the correct ones on the issue.  I didn't lose anyone on 9/11, and I find it a provocative move placing it so close to Ground Zero.  There's also sufficient anecdotes out there about Imam Faisal and the developer to suggest it's not so much a peaceful gesture.  However, I also realize that if no laws are broken, it's their right.  It's also the right of those who oppose it strictly on moral and emotional grounds to object to the developers and ask that it be built elsewhere.

I think if Faisal wants to move the thing, he should. If he doesn't, he shouldn't. There are a couple of good reasons for putting it there in the first place: One, it's apparently a freaking ghost town in that area, so the building was relatively inexpensive, and secondly, the already existing mosques in the area are far over capacity, thus the interest in someday opening a mosque in the community center. I have yet to see someone explain how a community center not visible from the former WTC site causes any anguish to victims and their families. I can at least understand (but disagree with) the idea that it might be a problem if it were literally at the site or directly visible from the site.

Those anecdotes, by the way? Completely inconsistent with what the same people were saying last year, before they decided to turn this into a political issue. I suggest watching the Daily Show segments on the subject from Monday night and last night.

[Red Arrow]

I have yet to see someone explain how a community center not visible from the former WTC site causes any anguish to victims and their families. I can at least understand (but disagree with) the idea that it might be a problem if it were literally at the site or directly visible from the site.

Right or wrong, a lot of Americans see the community center/mosque as an "in your face" move rather than a bridge builder.  A lot of Muslims see American policy as an "in your face" policy rather than trying to get along.  Both sides need to examine the PR side involved.  As a PC liberal, you should understand that even if you disagree.

[we vs us]

Right or wrong, a lot of Americans see the community center/mosque as an "in your face" move rather than a bridge builder.  A lot of Muslims see American policy as an "in your face" policy rather than trying to get along.  Both sides need to examine the PR side involved.  As a PC liberal, you should understand that even if you disagree.

It doesn't matter who's insulted by what.  They get to do what they want.  They've passed all the local tests, attained all the permits and the setbacks and the whathaveyous in order to get it done.  They followed all the rules. As I understand it, they even made sure they did a townhall meeting or two before finalizing plans.  After satisfying all those conditions, it's all theirs.

If what you're agitating for is for them to listen a little closer to you and your protestations as they deliberate, then fine.  I'm all for it.  They get to make up their own mind and decide to weigh your objection in their own way.  That's the way it should go. 

If you're suggesting that we should abridge their freedom  by judicial or legal means -- outside of the normal channels -- you're dead wrong. 

(And seriously, you guys and your whining are starting to sound a lot like us so-called PC Liberals and our you-are-a-beautiful-and-unique-snowflake culture:  "Pay attention to how I feel!  How I feel is important! ALL THE TIME TO EVERYONE!  AND SHOULD GUILT YOU INTO TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HOW I FEEL ABOUT 9/11.")