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River Trail FAIL!

Started by Conan71, August 20, 2010, 10:09:17 AM

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Conan71

Quote from: SXSW on April 12, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
After July when the dual trail is complete south of I-44 to 56th St there will only be one last part to finish, the portion underneath I-44 itself and a few hundred feet on each side north and south.  That includes the wooden bridge just south of the highway where the bank slopes off next to the trail and Riverside...will be interesting to see if they build up that edge or build a new wider bridge.

The west bank trails are open and are fantastic...they are just doing some final landscaping in parts.  

Still hoping GKFF decides to extend the dual trails south to 96th (the Jenks ped bridge), and that they can work with the Creeks to route the trails by the river at the casino.  It is annoying and dangerous to have to cross the multiples entrances at River Spirit.  

It really is a great network of trails that could be even bigger and better.  I've had people from other cities wish they had such nice trails and those that have them wish they were as accessible to the city as RiverParks is to much of Tulsa.  

I'm forever irritated that the Creeks are shirking their part of the bargain in moving the trails behind their Casino.  They promised it and it's not happening. It would cost far less than any other improvement they made on their property.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen a near miss on their three entrances.  Some of the blame falls on people using the trails but more often, it's someone trying to get ahead of someone else to get their Lucky Strikes or someone drunk off their donkey leaving the casino in a bad mood after a hard day at 5pm.

No reason for this to have not been done about 5 years ago.
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cynical

The way I remember the deal was that the Creeks would move the trail if they had sufficient money left from construction of the new casino to do so.  At the time I figured it was a dead issue because no one ever has money left over after construction. 

Crossing those entrances scares the **** out of me.  I took a header over the bars once at 91st and Riverside near the smoke shop because a car cut me off.  My helmet saved my life, though it broke in three places. 

Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2011, 12:39:03 AM
I'm forever irritated that the Creeks are shirking their part of the bargain in moving the trails behind their Casino.  They promised it and it's not happening. It would cost far less than any other improvement they made on their property.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen a near miss on their three entrances.  Some of the blame falls on people using the trails but more often, it's someone trying to get ahead of someone else to get their Lucky Strikes or someone drunk off their donkey leaving the casino in a bad mood after a hard day at 5pm.

No reason for this to have not been done about 5 years ago.
 

SXSW

Quote from: cynical on April 13, 2011, 11:49:19 AM
The way I remember the deal was that the Creeks would move the trail if they had sufficient money left from construction of the new casino to do so.  At the time I figured it was a dead issue because no one ever has money left over after construction. 

Crossing those entrances scares the **** out of me.  I took a header over the bars once at 91st and Riverside near the smoke shop because a car cut me off.  My helmet saved my life, though it broke in three places. 

Yes that really needs to be done...I don't trust the Creeks to do it alone though.  They will need help from GKFF, which would be fine because then the entire east bank would be dual trail between the major crossings at 96th and 11th (as well as 71st, ped bridge and 21st).  Once that's complete then maybe they can do the entire west bank...
 

Conan71

Quote from: SXSW on April 13, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
Yes that really needs to be done...I don't trust the Creeks to do it alone though.  They will need help from GKFF, which would be fine because then the entire east bank would be dual trail between the major crossings at 96th and 11th (as well as 71st, ped bridge and 21st).  Once that's complete then maybe they can do the entire west bank...

Hell, they've probably got as much money as GKFF laying around from all the degenerate gamblers who donate to their cause.
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heironymouspasparagus

Conan,
You finding any paths in OKC, Midwest City area??  I spend my time down there in Valley Brook area and the only path is to the strip joints on 59th.

I can only find about 7 miles of paths there, all up around Hefner and Overholser.  Makes Tulsa look all the better - again.

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Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2011, 12:04:03 PM
Hell, they've probably got as much money as GKFF laying around from all the degenerate gamblers who donate to their cause.

They don't  ;)

Hopefully the reroute will get done.  The smoke-shop / main north-side entrance is always scary.  Atleast when I typically ride it isn't too busy...

we vs us

I wonder if that reroute delay has to do with their rumored hotel tower? 

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on April 14, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
I wonder if that reroute delay has to do with their rumored hotel tower? 

That really shouldn't make a difference as their footprint will remain the same, right?  Or is this something going to the south of the existing complex.  They have asphalt just about all the way to the creek on the north end of their property.  I can't imagine the trail project for simple asphalt being more than $250 to $500K for that stretch unless they've found out they need to do some bank stabilization then that's a whole other kettle of fish.
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carltonplace

Quote from: Conan71 on April 14, 2011, 10:51:21 PM
That really shouldn't make a difference as their footprint will remain the same, right?  Or is this something going to the south of the existing complex.  They have asphalt just about all the way to the creek on the north end of their property.  I can't imagine the trail project for simple asphalt being more than $250 to $500K for that stretch unless they've found out they need to do some bank stabilization then that's a whole other kettle of fish.

I thought the plan was to put the trail on a boardwalk on the river and moving it away from the street? I swear I saw bridges in the plan which would raise the price tag a bit.

we vs us

I honestly don't know where the tower might be (the rumors have it literally all over that parcel of land, including partially in the river), but wondered if that unknown might be the thing that keeps them from deciding further on moving the trail. 

Depending on what they wanted to do, wouldn't they have to put a bridge over the creek to the north of the parcel as well?

TheTed

The east bank portion south of I-44 is now open. It's been closed since March-ish.

The only thing left on the east bank is the part under I-44, from 48th to 58th. Hopefully they don't close that anytime soon, as the east bank trail has already been a dead end for all spring and part of the summer, until now.