Illegal Immigration on the Decline

[guido911]

Big decrease.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HVCHPO1.htm

[Conan71]

"They're certainly acting together," he said. Passel said illegal immigrants now find it more expensive and dangerous to cross into the U.S. and also have less incentive to do so given the languishing job market in construction and other low-wage industries."

And I suspect that our bigoted laws have something to do with it.  Haters.

[Hoss]

"They're certainly acting together," he said. Passel said illegal immigrants now find it more expensive and dangerous to cross into the U.S. and also have less incentive to do so given the languishing job market in construction and other low-wage industries."

And I suspect that our bigoted laws have something to do with it.  Haters.

Good... (sorry, that's the (R) coming out in me...)

[nathanm]

Correlation is not causation. The number of illegal crossings was dropping before the xenophobe law in Arizona.

[Gaspar]

Correlation is not causation. The number of illegal crossings was dropping before the xenophobe law in Arizona.

It's kinda like all of the crimeaphobe laws we have against thieves, murderers, larcenists and embezzlers.  Why can't we learn to embrace these alternative lifestyles?

[nathanm]

It's kinda like all of the crimeaphobe laws we have against thieves, murderers, larcenists and embezzlers.  Why can't we learn to embrace these alternative lifestyles?

Wow, way to paint a false equivalence. Try harder next time. It's more fun when you make it believable.

[Conan71]

Wow, way to paint a false equivalence. Try harder next time. It's more fun when you make it believable.

Please explain why it's a false equivalence. I do have to admit though it was the best laugh I've had this morning so far.  I simply don't understand why it is we should be willing to tolerate certain crimes or accept that flaunting the legal means by which most of our families became U.S. citizens is perfectly fine. 

Many of these, let's see what's the latest PC term, oh yes: "currently un-registered future voters" create false documents to get the benefits of legal immigrants and U.S. citizens which would get you or I thrown in prison.  They don't file tax returns, create false SS numbers, seldom purchase auto liability insurance, don't have a properly issued driver's license.  These are all things which if I did them, I would recieve quite a bit of scorn and a couple of the things would land me in jail.  And yet it's all our fault they break the law because we have these hateful laws directed soley at the brown people down south.

[nathanm]

Please explain why it's a false equivalence.

He equated my statement that the law is not the cause of the reduced illegal border crossings with some imagined lack of support for our criminal laws.

Moreover, there's a second level of false equivalence, in that illegal border crossing only harms the person illegally crossing, not the rest of society like the crimes he enumerated.

[Conan71]

He equated my statement that the law is not the cause of the reduced illegal border crossings with some imagined lack of support for our criminal laws.

Moreover, there's a second level of false equivalence, in that illegal border crossing only harms the person illegally crossing, not the rest of society like the crimes he enumerated.

Wait, you are saying that crossing the border illegally only harms the person crossing it or did I mis-read that?

[Breadburner]

He equated my statement that the law is not the cause of the reduced illegal border crossings with some imagined lack of support for our criminal laws.

Moreover, there's a second level of false equivalence, in that illegal border crossing only harms the person illegally crossing, not the rest of society like the crimes he enumerated.

[nathanm]

Wait, you are saying that crossing the border illegally only harms the person crossing it or did I mis-read that?

If you have a problem with my statement, why don't you explain how illegal border crossing is morally equivalent to murder, larceny, or embezzlement.

[guido911]

It's kinda like all of the crimeaphobe laws we have against thieves, murderers, larcenists and embezzlers.  Why can't we learn to embrace these alternative lifestyles?

Smackdown. I am so sick of hearing dooshbags referring to enforcement of immigration laws as "xenophobic".

[Conan71]

If you have a problem with my statement, why don't you explain how illegal border crossing is morally equivalent to murder, larceny, or embezzlement.

Equivalent to murder, no.  Equivalent to theft, yes. 

[nathanm]

Smackdown. I am so sick of hearing dooshbags referring to enforcement of immigration laws as "xenophobic".

Given the lack of any other reasoning put forth, other than the drug mules, which are a byproduct of our own drug laws and demand, and could be handled much better by relaxing requirements to come here legally, it's a reasonable conclusion to make.

Conan, what are they stealing from you?

[Conan71]

Given the lack of any other reasoning put forth, other than the drug mules, which are a byproduct of our own drug laws and demand, and could be handled much better by relaxing requirements to come here legally, it's a reasonable conclusion to make.

Conan, what are they stealing from you?

How do people wind up with such lazy logic?  Did you learn this in college?