Hey, It's His First Amendment Right...Right?

[Red Arrow]

I am just loving all this pro (anything other than Christianity) religion talk coming from the left these days....

Edited to add:

What's your thought on this? You equally outraged about his attack on Christians?

Before anyone accuses me of being a Bible thumper, I am not a religious person.  I just think it is PC to support everything except Christianity at the present time.  

[Red Arrow]

Putting a crucifix in a jar of urine is an attack? 

Try putting a Koran in a jar of urine.

[Conan71]

Before anyone accuses me of being a Bible thumper, I am not a religious person.  I just think it is PC to support everything except Christianity at the present time.  

I get that sense as well, or as I like to say: "You are free to practice any religion you like publicly so long as it's not Christianity"

[guido911]

Putting a crucifix in a jar of urine is an attack? 

It's not just a "crucifix". It also had a depiction of Jesus on the crucifix. So yes, I call that an attack on Christianity. Hair split all you want, but Red Arrow's point is spot on.

[Hoss]

It's not just a "crucifix". It also had a depiction of Jesus on the crucifix. So yes, I call that an attack on Christianity. Hair split all you want, but Red Arrow's point is spot on.

Wouldn't that be typically because many Christians don't believe in any other faith than their own, calling others 'blasphemy'?

And organized religion?  What an oxymoron!

[we vs us]

Before anyone accuses me of being a Bible thumper, I am not a religious person.  I just think it is PC to support everything except Christianity at the present time.  

Aside from the Koran-burning whackjob, who's attacking Christianity? 

If you're so sensitive to anti-Christian bias that you think support of other faiths somehow diminishes the most powerful belief in the land . . . well, you might have to just go ahead and stow that in the Paranoia bucket, along with the inability to believe the Cordoba Project people might actually mean what they say.

[nathanm]

It's not just a "crucifix". It also had a depiction of Jesus on the crucifix. So yes, I call that an attack on Christianity. Hair split all you want, but Red Arrow's point is spot on.

You would have loved my sister's college boyfriend. He did a painting of a neon green Jesus on the crucifix, with a gigantic erection. He also did a linoleum carving of Jesus in Mary's arms up in the clouds, again, with a gigantic cock just hanging out there.

Artists have been doing stupid stuff with images of Jesus for centuries. I don't think that quite rises to the level of an organized book burning, but that may be my anti-religion bias showing.

[guido911]

You would have loved my sister's college boyfriend. He did a painting of a neon green Jesus on the crucifix, with a gigantic erection. He also did a linoleum carving of Jesus in Mary's arms up in the clouds, again, with a gigantic cock just hanging out there.

Artists Attention whores have been doing stupid stuff with images of Jesus for centuries. I don't think that quite rises to the level of an organized book burning, but that may be my anti-religion bias showing.

FIFY. Thanks though for this insight into your family.

[Red Arrow]

my anti-religion bias

Could have fooled me.

[TheArtist]

   There should be no legal means of stopping him, nor any physical threat.  Protest him, argue against what he wants to do, etc. fine.  

  I think our country shows the world a good example of our freedoms in this way.  The Islamic Center near Ground Zero can be built, Korans, Bibles, etc. can be burnt.  People can argue and protest for and against... but nobody, nor their property is physically harmed.  

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt

 I understand that there are people who find the contsruction of the Islamic Center near Ground Zero offensive or hurtful.  But I do not believe that is coming from correct thinking.  I don't think we should make larger policies, laws or descisions based on what is incorrect.  The lesser angels of our nature should not be made paramount.

 I understand that there are people who will find the burning of a Koran or Bible offensive and hurtful.  But again, argue, peacefully protest etc.  but to threaten others with physical harm, or cause physical harm to a person or their property is wrong.

   I don't like the idea of him burning the Koran.  But, that is that.  I would never want to hurt him for doing so.  Others may believe its right to hurt him or some other "American interest" for the wrong they perceive is happening.

They have their beliefs of what is right and wrong.  I have mine and will work to live my life accordingly, just as they will.

I believe in the good of free speach (there are always exceptons, but this is not the valid equivalent of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater) someone else may believe its ok to kill or physically hurt someone for voicing/showing their opinion.

 I have faith that the ultimate right and good will prevail.  Let history march on and decide.

[Red Arrow]

Wouldn't that be typically because most religions don't believe in any other faith than their own, calling others 'blasphemy'?

And organized religion?  What an oxymoron!

I would call the domination of Europe for centuries by the Roman Catholic Church fairly well organized.

[guido911]

  There should be no legal means of stopping him, nor any physical threat.  Protest him, argue against what he wants to do, etc. fine.  

  I think our country shows the world a good example of our freedoms in this way.  The Islamic Center near Ground Zero can be built, Korans, Bibles, etc. can be burnt.  People can argue and protest for and against... but nobody, nor their property is physically harmed.  

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt

 I understand that there are people who find the contsruction of the Islamic Center near Ground Zero offensive or hurtful.  But I do not believe that is coming from correct thinking.  I don't think we should make larger policies, laws or descisions based on what is incorrect.  The lesser angels of our nature should not be made paramount.

 I understand that there are people who will find the burning of a Koran or Bible offensive and hurtful.  But again, argue, peacefully protest etc.  but to threaten others with physical harm, or cause physical harm to a person or their property is wrong.

   I don't like the idea of him burning the Koran.  But, that is that.  I would never want to hurt him for doing so.  Others may believe its right to hurt him or some other "American interest" for the wrong they perceive is happening.

They have their beliefs of what is right and wrong.  I have mine and will work to live my life accordingly, just as they will.

 I have faith that the ultimate right and good will prevail.  Let history march on and decide.

Well said.

[Red Arrow]

Aside from the Koran-burning whackjob, who's attacking Christianity? 

If you're so sensitive to anti-Christian bias that you think support of other faiths somehow diminishes the most powerful belief in the land . . . well, you might have to just go ahead and stow that in the Paranoia bucket, along with the inability to believe the Cordoba Project people might actually mean what they say.

I'll use a Nathan method and say it again (although it's been a while).

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

No, I do not live my life in fear and hide in a fraidy hole.  I believe I just have a healthy distrust of public figures.  I don't believe I am "so sensitive" to anti-Christian bias, I just recognize it exists and that it seems to be swept under the rug rather than being exposed and brought to the front page like "Islamophobia".

[nathanm]

No, I do not live my life in fear and hide in a fraidy hole.  I believe I just have a healthy distrust of public figures.  I don't believe I am "so sensitive" to anti-Christian bias, I just recognize it exists and that it seems to be swept under the rug rather than being exposed and brought to the front page like "Islamophobia".

I find it difficult to believe in an entrenched anti-Christian bias when some 80% or more of my countrymen self identify as such. While I am biased against religion mixing with government, I defend everyone's right to worship as they see fit. I just hate it when people use religion to justify exerting control over others.

TheArtist: Well said. The only thing I have to quibble with is that free speech, while it should always be as unfettered as possible, is not always good. I can say stupid and hurtful things, and I have every right to do so. That does not make it some kind of moral good. There is and always will be tension between our freedoms and our morals.

It is nice to see that while there is much disagreement on this thread about the advisability of Park 51 or the Koran burning and everything else but the kitchen sink, we all agree that both have the absolute right to do so, no matter how much we disagree. We are fundamentally in agreement about the basics, even as we vehemently disagree on the particulars.

[custosnox]

The biggest similarities between Park51 and this Koran burning is that the flap against building a community center with a mosque in it a couple of blocks away from ground zero and the intent behind the book burning are from the same "All of Islam is evil" crowd.  It reeks of intolerance to a religion other than Christianity.  After all, it seems the so many in this country follow Ford's ideas: "You can have any religion you want, as long as it's christian".  But this guys very public show of intollerance is protected by the first amendment, which is a givin right in this country.  The only real concern I would show of this over, say a bible burning, is that this put others in danger around the world.  I don't know how much truth there is in these statements, or if it's just a few trying to stir up fear to keep it from happening, but it is out there.  Perhaps this is more of a chance for the majority of Islam to show that they are a peaceful religion, or not.  Time will tell.